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Danzo vs Obito?

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  1. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    What if Obito fought Danzo instead of Sasuke? Who would've won?

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    Prolly Danzo. Danzo wanted Koto to take on "Madara" and from what we have seen Danzo doesn't have much that's fast enough to get by Kamui or a big enough AoE attack that can force Obito to use Kamui for five+ minutes straight but on the flipside Izanagi makes anything Obito does useless for ten minutes. So they'd fight a back and fourth until Danzo gets access to Koto again and then he'd beat Obito most likely
     
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    Danzo with Koto.
     
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    Danzo probably would with Koto but without it Obito would eventually just outlast Danzo’s izanagi and take the win.
     
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    How when Obito can only use Izanagi once while Danzo can use it like 10+ times..?
     
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    Because Obito doesn’t need to use Izanagi to outlast Danzo’s izanagi...?
     
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    Wouldn't Izanagi counter Kamui? Or can Obito predict Izanagi?
     
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    If Obito had fought against Danzo in the same situation in which Sasuke did, then Danzo still could not use koto. Following the previous premise, Obito should emerge victorious without too much difficulty:

    -The greatest weapon of Danzo, without a doubt, is izanagi, weapon that Obito knows perfectly, and that dominates even better. Now, knowledge would not directly counteract izanagi, but it would eliminate the surprise factor, which is very important for a user of this technique.

    -Danzo lacks those skills and special characteristics that are needed to harm someone like Obito. The shadow of the third does not have great speed, nor can it perform attacks that force the uchiha to remain intangible for more than 5 minutes.

    -Obit has the necessary resistance to endure all the fight against danzo, and much more.

    -The representation puts Obito clearly above this version of Sasuke. Besides that, Danzo is not, in any way, a bad showdown for the masked.

    -If we analyze it a bit, Obito is an improved version of Danzo in several aspects: it is a pure uchiha, it has Hashirama cells but, unlike Danzo, the uchiha controls them perfectly, and has a much more perfected izanagi.
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    With Koto, there is no confrontation that is fun.
     
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    Well Obito is first of all knowlegable about koto. and danzo has it
    The match may well end before koto activates.
    Even if koto is activated phasing s still in play and danzo missing his shot is very likely
    Izanagi comes in handy later if danzo survives long.
     
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    I still think Obito would came up on top. He is knowledgeable about Koto and would find a way around it.
     
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    Obito would just use one of his many mediums to defeat Danzo if he was able but if not I just think that obito is intelligent and he has kamui and his genjutsu is certainly top tier . Not saying it couldn’t go both ways because it deff could but I also think Obito would probably come out on top. One more thing danzo doesn’t really relish a long fight ... obitos stamina and durability are legit a sight to behold .
     
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    Doesn't the manga depict Danzo as someone Obito wasn't willing to mess with. It is clear he wanted Shisui eye, which is why Danzo crushed it in the end, but rather than face off against Danzo like he did his henchman. He sent out Sasuke to do what he apparently couldn't. Much like he did when he sent Sasuke to weakened the Kage's for capture. It's funny how we use depiction and statements when it comes to Itachi/Kisame vs. Jiraiya in part 1. But are unwilling to paint Obito as the "Cherry Picking" fighter he is without access to the Rinnegan. He had no problem going against Konan over something he wanted now did he.
     
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    Danzo cant touch Obito...

    So unless Koto is on the table this isnt even a discussion
     
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    You got that right lol..
     
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    When was this? Obito neg diffed Danzo's most distinguished lapdogs
    Obito just liked testing Sasuke.. Obito was far more powerful than MS Sasuke
     
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    Can't Izanagi counter Kamui?
     
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    No

    No it cant

    Sasuke could reliably react to Danzos Izanagi use cuz Danzo is slow as dirt

    Maybe if Izanagi was being used by a KCM tier speedster...Then yeah, Obitos Kamui might have some trouble. But as it stands, Danzo gets trolled.

    Obito also has knowledge on Izanagi Sasuke didnt have. Making it even more unlikely Danzo does shit.
     
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    Losing an arm is neg diff, now?

    But was he better equipped to deal with Danzo? Was he better equipped to deal the Kages and their bodyguards than Sasuke was? The answer to that is arguably a resounding no; I'm afraid, as even Obito admitted he was a "shadow of his former self" when asked by the Kages, why he needed to rely on Sasuke's power to capture them.

    In both Sasuke's battle with the Kages and against Danzo he wanted something from them. In the case of the Kages he wanted leverage to utilize to trade for the remaining Bijus. In the case of Danzo he wanted shisui other eye. Just like testing Sasuke you say, yet he was wiling to pick on poor Konan, a mid tier of the Akatsuki at best, with his own power. And once he obtained the Rinnegan; reliance on anyone but himself was no longer an option.
     
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    But Danzo Izanagi usage was depicted to be as fast as Obito.
    (Chapter 476 page 18)

    We have Danzo using Izanagi to teleport directly behind Sasuke it's just Sasuke had Susano'o active to hard counter Danzo's Kunai.(Chapter 477 page 2)

    Can Izanagi counter Kumui…. Yes it can. It turns any undesirable outcome into an illusion as explained by Itachi in his fight with Kabuto.(Page 587 page 5)

    [QUOTE[Maybe if Izanagi was being used by a KCM tier speedster...Then yeah, Obitos Kamui might have some trouble. But as it stands, Danzo gets trolled.[/QUOTE]
    Danzo's speed is irrelevant as he basically respawns wherever he wants, and Susano'o unlike Kumui, is able to attack and defend at the same time. Danzo doesn't need to be a speedster if he has 10 minutes of invisibility. 10 minutes to breakdown Obito's Kumui, which isn't hard to do. 10 minutes to wait on his Kotoamatsukami, etc. etc.

    It essentially be the most boring battle ever, but Danzo isn't an easy fight for Obito by any means as Izanagi hard counters Kumai.

    Having 0 knowledge of Izanagi only came into play once, but was thwarted by Susano'o.
    Knowledge, no knowledge it's inconsequential when dealing with Danzo. You'd still have face him for at very least 10 minutes, and the more you kill him the more chances he has to respawn and kill you.
     
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    Obito only lost his arm because he decided to touch Torune even tho he didn't need to hence why he used his Zetsu arm.. Besides when has MS Obito not lost his arm in a fight?
    Obito was superior to Sasuke in all stats at that time plus had Wood Style and a fake EMS thanks to Senju DNA.. Obito could've easily trolled and warped the Gokages in the exact same scenario Sasuke was in, and as far as Danzo idk hence why i made this thread
    Uhh no he was playing the "Madara" role.. Obito slaughtered an entire squad of jonin at 14 years old and was even more powerful as an adult.. He clearly wasn't serious especially considering he was about to fight Sage Mode Kabuto, Edo Itachi, Edo Nagato, etc all at once with his mask on and only backed down when Kabuto whipped out Edo Madara
    The fact that Obito was waiting to jump in plus had Zetsu ready to heal Sasuke shows he knew Sasuke was too weak to defeat the Gokage, it was more for Obito's own entertainment.. He did that alot
     
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    Oh he needed to, as his jutsu works by making physical contact with the person/object he trying to warp. Hence why Torun opted to cover his body in bugs in the first place. It's like saying he didn't need to lose an arm against Minato.

    Except this clearly isn't true. When it comes to jutsu. Overall he's quite limited. Hence being forced to touch Torun. Taking on Minato in a contest of speed. Picking on poor Konan, who was one-shotted by Jiraiya chapters earlier, etc. etc.
    Obito doesn't seem remember he has wood style, Katon, etc. etc. therefore giving him things and saying he superior to MS Sasuke in all stats is reaching. Even if he still had wood style, it can best be describe as the most basic form of it. Lower than Yamato and definitely lower than Hashi. And who did BOS Sasuke own again?

    LMAO warp the Kage? That like be saying Sasuke couldn't just go around Amaterasuing the Kage as if it was dat easy. The Kages have guards, the Kages are strong on there own. If it was that simple why did he need them weakened for capture? Why did he need to declare war, as if doing it himself was his only option? Your points are not making sense; Especially considering Obito gave us his reason outright why he needed Sasuke to weaken the Kages for capture. We later see that real Madara needed no such tactic to own the five Kage. He could do what Obito wanted Sasuke to do as a budding MS user.

    And here we go running down the pointless feat mill. We saw BOS Sasuke take on thousands of arm ninja without a scratch and without killing them, or better yet we saw Taka Sasuke take out a platoon of Samurai without a scratch. When it comes to taking down nameless fodder Sasuke is quite gifted in the science. And being about to take on Kabuto, Edo Itachi, Edo Nagato, etc. etc. means nothing. He overestimated Sasuke's ability to weakened the five Kages, you don't think he overestimated his ability to take out Kabuto and his ET. Besides I think Obito had the Rinnegan at that time, and he was moving with a whole new attitude after he acquired it. It was implied that he could at least use some of the paths jutsu so don't pass off Rinnegan Obito as a substitute of three double sharingan Obito you are dead wrong.

    Keep cooking up the excuses, and I'll keep shooting them down. Zetsu only came into play after it was revealed that Sasuke had no more juice to battle the Kages. Where was he in between fights, as there quite a gap between Sasuke battling the Raikage, Garra, etc. etc. and battling the Kages in the inner most summit. He even seems disappointed that Sasuke didn't weaken them, and he forced to declare war and rush off to obtain the Rinnegan to fight that very war, as he knew his power as they were, were not enough.

    So how is stronger than MS Sasuke when it comes to the art of jutsu period. As Sasuke needed no such tool to go to war outside of advancing his Susano'o. Meanwhile we have Obito gaining the Rinnegan, gaining access to six tailed beast, etc. etc. Obito clearly said he was "shadow of his former self," and Edo Madara proved that statement to be true as he was spazing on the Kages.
     
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    Danzo wins with Kotoamatsukami.

    Without that, Obito wins.
     
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    Uhh no, no he didn't need to.. Did you not see him warp Fu right after without touching him?
    Except how is this clearly not true when it's a fact Obito outclassed MS Sasuke in near if not all stats at that time? Chakra reserves, stamina, durability, vitality, raw strength, genjutsu, intellect, etc you name it
    Which has nothing to do with the fact Obito outclassed MS Sasuke in most stats at that time
    Why do you keep saying that? He wasn't forced to touch Torune seeing how he warped Fu right after without touching him
    OK i'm gonna have to ask you to stop saying that now.. You're acting like Obito was bullying her when all he wanted was Nagato's Rinnegan and she wanted to get uppity and try blowing him up. She had a choice to tell Obito where the Rinnegan was, or die and Obito still gets the Rinnegan
    1. Obito was hiding all his abilities.. Why do you ignore the fact Obito was pretending to be a weakened Madara? He claimed to be a "shell of hisself" and hid his Wood Style for a reason
    2. It's not reaching to say Obito outclassed Sasuke in most stats since that's a fact.. It's actually the other way around. It's reaching to try and say Sasuke outclassed Obito
    3. Are you seriously implying MS Sasuke > MS Obito and that Yamato is even comparable to Obito?
    Have you not seen how easily Obito has done it before? Even almost warped Minato
    Since when were fodder ninjas useful? Wasn't that one of your next points?
    Never said they weren't but they also have no space/time ninjutsu to counter Kamui or getting warped.. Once again are you implying any of the 5 Kage stood a chance against Obito 1 on 1?
    Because he wanted a hostage.. All you're doing is proving my point that Sasuke was just a toy for Obito considering Obito could've easily warped one of the Kage as a hostage himself had he really wanted to.. Also Obito could've captured Bijuu by himself he didn't need help then either. You seriously need to get more familiar with Obito's chararacter
    Oh the irony
    Uhh that's because Edo Madara is Demi God Tier and MS Obito & MS Sasuke are only like High Kage Tier
    :drake
    Why are you acting like that's Obito's only feat at that young? I'll let Minato tell it


    Btw being only like 14 years old and having the 4th Hokage think you're Madara Uchiha is a feat in itself, and def shows adult Obito is no "shell of his former self"
    Fair enough, but once again Obito wouldn't have jumped in plus have Zetsu on standby if he really thought Sasuke could take on the 5 Kage
    Idk what made you think that when Obito was already teamed up with Kabuto when he was barely leaving to find Konan
    You haven't shot down anything
    :mjlol
    Uhh that was my point..?
    :drake
    Uhh Sasuke didn't need help or be healed yet..?
    :drake
    Cuz MS Sasuke doesn't have infinite fucking Kamui spam
    :santazaru
    How does that somehow mean MS Obito is weaker than MS Sasuke?
    Once again Obito didn't mean himself he was playing the "Madara" role Madara even said Obito is as strong as EMS Madara.. And why are you acting like Edo Madara isn't super powered up compared to EMS Madara?
     
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    This actually only happened in the Anime. In the Manga, he made physical contact.

    Also, MS Obito can't take down all the Five Kage by himself unless he has the Gedo Statue. Kamui is broken, but the Five Kage working together is too difficult for Obito to deal with as they possess the numbers' advantage. But if Obito goes in Gauntlet Style like Sasuke, he can win.
     
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    I suggest you reread how Obito's jutsu works. He can only warp what he actually touches, and even this limitation applied to Fu.(Chapter 475 page 11) You can see him physically pick up FU and warp him.

    None of those things matter because Sasuke has enough reserves to utilize his vast arsenal of jutsu. Stamina is almost the same as chakara reserves so you're reaching. Durability? Sasuke isn't a class canon and relies on jutsu just like Obito to prevent any form of major damage. Vitality is the same as either chakara reserves or durability so you're reaching again. Raw Strength? Sasuke uses a sword/ninja tools/Susano'o. Genjutsu? Obito doesn't actively use genjutsu in fights outside of controlling Kurama, and only other claim to fame outside of this area is controlling the 4th Misukage. Intellect? In battle? Considering most of tactics have been Kumui GG. Obito isn't exactly a rocket scientist when it comes to battle intellect. Sasuke has had to put in more work against adequate level opponents and actually think on his feet in order to win. Not saying he is more intelligent overall than Obito, but he isn't lacking in that department.

    None of those things matter because a character can outclass a character in all the above, but still lose to them do to a single jutsu. Which is what happened in Obito vs. Minato, right? Obito outclasses in all the same areas yet when it came to fighting the only that mattered was a contest of speed.

    But MS Sasuke outclasses him in jutsu hence is why he was allowed to take perform things that the Kage summit and fighting Danzo while Obito was portrayed as simply to weak to perform the same task. No matter what you say about how he outclasses Sasuke the fact remains that in order for Obito to take the next level he had to acquire Sasuke final power up in the form of the Rinnegan, as his traditional approach of Kumai GG wasn't working against ninjas on his level.

    Read the manga.

    Reread the fight. Look at how Obito was talking down to Konan, as if she was fodder in comparison to him. He wouldn't have spoken to Nagato like that; hell he likely wouldn't have spoken to Itachi like that. Obito was depicted to be as biggest "Cherry picker" there is even with one of the most broken eye ability, and quite frankly I am tired of other Uchiha having to talk the talk and walk the walk, but Obito gets a pass. Who was MS Obito's strongest opponent? Minato? And how did that turn out? He is the only Uchiha who gets by on the "I can't get hit" argument so I win. When in reality everyone minus Torun and Fuu has had an answer to Obito's variation of Kumui, as those are the only two characters to date that have fallen victim to Obito's Kumai GG shenanigans.

    He wasn't pretending to be shit, he was. Madara was light years ahead of him in terms of power in his debut. Just look at their track record. Madara no matter what variation was depicted to be on the level of the first Hokage, where as Obito lost the fourth. Stop making excuses for Obito, as a Uchiha fan it's quite annoying.
    It is. If set stats are irrelevant to the terms overall power. MS Sasuke had a more balanced arsenal and overall a more powerful arsenal, thus he was allowed to things MS Obito couldn't like have more fights; more fights against stronger opponents; take on Danzo instead of his henchmen, etc. etc.
    I don't have to imply shit, just read the manga. Who faced off against more powerful opponents and won. Who was sent to do what the other claimed he was too weak to do. Which Uchiha got to take down Danzo, and which one was sidelined after losing his arm against his subordinates?

    And learn to read sherlock. I alluded to Yamato being the better Wood Release user, which is also supported by manga. There is a thread currently active called feats vs. portrayal, and MS Sasuke outclasses MS Obito in both. What did MS Obito actually do? What did he actually accomplish? A beat down from Minato? A near lost against Konan? Etc. etc.
    You want to be petty and highlight things MS Obito is better than Sasuke at thanks to the presence of Hashi cells? How about we discuss something that actually matters like track record?

    What's that old Brandy Song? "Almost doesn't Count"

    Since when do these Uchihas operate on almost? It either is or ain't that.

    There not exactly fodder. Those various ninjas you are calling fodder forced Sasuke utilize precious chakara in order to counter their assault. Those fodder ninjas cost Sasuke body counts that would've heightened what Sasuke manage to accomplish at the summit. I never called the Kage's guards fodder I called the ninjas that Obito beat immediately after unlocking his mangekyou fodder because they had no names, and their sole reason for existing is to serve as body count for a more powerful shinobi?

    You don't need a space time jutsu to counter Kumai; especially if you have numbers. Obito's jutsu works by being forced to make contact with an opponent before warping, like shown by the manga, and he cannot attack defend at the same time. The Kage's didn't exactly fight Sasuke one on one? Raikage tried? Almost died. Got saved, and Sasuke was force to fight multiple ninjas at a time without much aid from either Madara or taka until he absolutely needed their help. The only Kage Sasuke got face one on one for an extended period of time was Danzo, and Obito was clear he wanted no smoke with him; although he wanted shisui's eye.

    Considering Sasuke gave Obito nothing, while he got truth about Itachi,Danzo, Itachi's eyes, etc. etc.
    I'd hold off on calling anyone a toy. Obito saved Sasuke's life on multiple occasions, and the one thing he wanted in return for aiding Sasuke in his quest was for Sasuke take Nagato's place and sync him to the Gedo Mazo; in which we both know didn't happened.

    Just a toy? Just look at who we are discussing? What was Obito to Madara? Who in the end turned out to be the biggest tool? I'm not familiar with Obito's characters homie I got a license when it comes to these Uchiha. Obito was never depicted as anything more than a "weakened Madara" ,which would have been a great role if we didn't get the real thing. Could've warp one of the Kage's himself if he wanted to? And the others were going to just sit there and let him? There's a reason why Obito only wanted to negotiate after the "muscle" which was Sasuke was defeated, and that's because Obito was no Madara. I'm not familiar with Obito's character? No. You aren't familiar with what a Uchiha is supposed to represent....Power, Dominance, etc. etc.

    They are traditionally do yourself type of characters. Just look at Itachi, Madara, Sasuke, and even sometimes Obito? The only thing about Obito is that he was just as likely to hype the opponent as they were to hype him. And even when Obito's power escalated and he became someone who had the power to do it on his own, he would often lose. But this is not entirely Obito's fault. He was simply a product of Kishi's pen at the end of the day, it's just that pen never intended for Obito to ever overshadow Madara.

    Show me where I failed to make sense. It's you who are pulling strawmans such as stats that is inconsequential to Kishi's pen.

    At least MS Sasuke was teased.....
    And unlike MS Obito he actually had develop his MS abilities on the fly. Imagine what a mastered MS Sasuke would have managed to accomplish at the summit.

    That would be relevant is Sasuke was alluded to on multiple occasion to have the potential to surpass that very Madara.
    And his Madara comparison started before even obtaining the MS.

    At the end of day all that "pillow talk" equate to nothing. He was, in the end, humiliated by that very same Minato, and thus the Uchiha fans had to damage control for years until it was later revealed that he wasn't the real Madara. As an Obito fan, if that what you deem yourself as, how can you see the above as anything but an hot L? It's not like he's the only Uchiha that could control Kurama, and is not as if Minato was the strongest Hokage. If this was supposed to be Obito's saving grace, then it's a failure as in the end he lost.

    That doesn't even make sense. Reread the manga Obito sent Sasuke to Kage's in order for him to train his dojutsu, and hopefully weakened the Kage's for capture. Nothing indicates that he expected Sasuke to fall short, it all actuality it would seem that he overestimated Sasuke's power or underestimated the opposition. This isn't the first time either, he also sent Sasuke to capture bee and sorta reprimanded him when he failed to do so.

    My bad I was mistaken, it's been a while since I read the manga.

    If you say so, mate.

    No it wasn't. You arbitrated that Madara knew Sasuke couldn't weakened the Kage's for which I responded no he didn't. You opt to utilize Madara saving Sasuke, Sending Zetsu both as responses upon realizing Sasuke wasn't strong enough.

    He had slight help from his team, but Obito and Zetsu didn't come into play until after it was revealed that Sasuke could do no more. You can't be this dense.

    And since when has infinite Kumui spam won anything? What are they negotiating or fighting? Where was that infinite Kumai when Konan was beating that ass, oh yeah he had to rely on Izanagi.

    Because it showcases how of a power difference between Obito's final power up and Sasuke's. Rinnegan Sasuke still had access to his MS abilities, in fact they were the back bone for the final stages for each of his power up. Kamui for all it's power was virtually abandon by Juubito, and didn't serve as his primary form of offense in his power ups leading up to become the ten tailed Jinchuuriki, either. All that stat shit you brought up earlier didn't matter, as Obito hardly utilized his superior strength, supposed superior intellect, supposed superior genjutsu abilities, superior durability, etc. etc.
    He upgraded from MS to a Rinnegan with Juubi Jin support, and from their becoming the ten tails himself. In the end MS obito was hardly seen, and the highlight of his career is a hot L from Minato.

    Where did Madara state Obito was as strong as his EMS self. Sasuke didn't even reach that mantle until he acquired the Rinnegan. I think you got things twisted, and you are clearly overestimating MS Obito. What you want to argue feats or portrayal? MS Sasuke has both, as MS Sasuke has more fights. Overall superior opponents, etc. etc.


     
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    Can't quote your post directly, as Naruto is doing that thing where it's adding extra [/QUOTE]
    at the end of everything automatically.

    But I'm going to do my best to work with what I can remember.

    What is the stats you sighted MS Obito has over MS Sasuke: Strength, Stamina, Durability, intellect, Vitality, Genjutsu, etc. etc., right? How does he not outclass Minato in almost all these areas, as well? Minato didn't create any special strategy to be Obito, he simply just applied his jutsu faster.

    And I think you need to reread the Kage summit. They weren't fighting Sasuke one on one. Raikage came out with his bodyguards, and Gaara with his body guards followed soon after. Inside the summit it was the same thing none of the Kages played by the one on one rules, and all were capitalizing on each others success against Sasuke. As I said before Obito wouldn't have been able to do shit, as he would not be able to warp one shinobi to box land without running the risk of being harmed when materializing.

    MS Sasuke never fought a shinobi on the level of Minato.....Let's see what was the fourth Raikage? What was Bee? Wasn't one his rival, and didn't the other manage to stalemate that very same Minato? I don't see how Minato was anymore dangerous than Danzo, as Danzo was immortal for 10 minutes, and Izanagi allowed him reappear anywhere on the battlefield. But this is irrelevant, as it really doesn't matter if you think Sasuke has never faced an opponent as powerful as Minato because Obito fucking loss. And what the fuck was special about that 8 man squad that Obito faced with no name. You're desperate, and you lucky I can't quote you directly otherwise I'd be tearing down your points even worse than I'm doing now.

    What's next. I continue to ignore Obito's feats and portrayal? What? I gave him Konan, that's the best he beat.
    And his portrayal was what it was, "a shadow of Madara," which was not very good considering Sasuke had the potential to surpass Madara.

    I would continue, but I believe it's pointless. MS Obito has nothing on his resume but picking on lesser shinobi's and getting his ass whooped by the fourth Hokage. Meanwhile Sasuke had to be taken down by a Summit on Kage's + Bodyguards + Samurai ,and actually defeated Danzo, while Obito merely watched.
     
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    Regarding Obito's power, it does not have too much trouble:

    -The uchiha possesses incredible power with virtually no weakness. It is clear that the author wants us to know that Obito is quite powerful, and this claim is based on questions such as Minato's statement about the power of the masked, the importance of the character as a villain, the fact that his exploits are comparable to those of Madara, and the factual situation that virtually no one can harm you.

    -It is clear that the reason why the majority of uchiha combats (the ones shown to us) are difficult for him, is because Minato and Konan used the only combinations of abilities that can present a danger to the masked.

    Konan, with full knowledge and great preparation, was able to exploit the 5 minute limit, but it also made it impossible for the uchiha to materialize even for a second, which is what is really important when it comes to executing an attack followed for hurt him. Minato, on the other hand, took advantage of an oversight that practically no other shinobi could have taken advantage of, except for those who possess techniques of that kind.

    -In consequence of the above, the reason why there are no favorable battles for the uchiha is mainly one: if Obito fights against an opponent who does not have what it takes to face him, the fight will end once the uchiha touches his opponent . To be more clear, this means that the shinobis that, paraphrasing Minato, do not have the specific skill set that allows Obito to face, will be defeated practically without offering resistance.

    -MS Obito was willing to fight against MS Sasuke and his team, without expressing the minimum fear. Sasuke was willing to kill Obito, but as soon as he realized that his attack had pierced the masked man, his attitude changed immediately. Intangibility baffles almost anyone who sees it, because it is a technique almost impossible to counteract.

    -Obito did not fight against Danzo because he wanted to give that gift to Sasuke, and it is very clear that the reason does not have to do with fear or feeling of inferiority on the part of the uchiha. The reason is clear, and the same Obito declares it on occasion: wants to ingratiate himself with Sasuke to manipulate him at will, and what better way to allow him to kill the person who put so many sadness on the shoulders of his beloved brother Itachi.

    -The representation that the author gives to the Kamui, more than to Obito himself, is that of a practically unstoppable skill that seems to have no weaknesses. There we see the fight of Rinnegan Obito against the quartet that is already known. In the aforementioned combat, once the beasts are rendered useless, the uchiha fights only with his kamui, and the whole battle revolves around how to defeat that ability. I think it is clear that the author wants to show us how difficult it is to fight against intangibility, regardless of whether such a version of Obito is stronger than this other one.
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    There are more arguments, but I think it is clear that the author does not want us to think that Obito is weak.
     
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    The only reason Danzo posed a threat to Sasuke is because he exausted himself with his MS ability, The same isn't true for Obito
     
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