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DBZ vs Saint Seiya

Discussion in 'Manga/Anime Battledome' started by vagnard, Oct 21, 2005.

  1. vagnard Well-Known Member

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    Some anime fans think that DBZ is the ultimate power in the anime. I'm glad that we have included Saint Seiya in the discussions. Let's see.

    "DBZ characters can fly"

    Mu, Dohko, Death Mask, Shaka and other Saint Seiya characters can fly too.

    "DBZ characters are really fast".

    Can they move at light speed?....No. Gotenks (one of the strongest DBZ characters) took around 30 minutes do some circles around the Earth.

    With Light Speed you can do 7 circles around the Earth in a second. All Gold Saints (and above) can move at light speed.

    "DBZ character are really strong physically"

    They hardly can touch Saint Seiya's characters....even then...Goku struggle with 40 tons in Boo Saga. In ssj3 at his best I'd say he can lift 120 tons. Not too far from Saint Seiya characters. Hyoga at the beginning could destroy a giant iceberg with a single punch...and he was nothing compared with his later self and gold saints. Even then....saints hardly fight physically.

    "With the Shunkanido Goku can teleport himself to any place".

    No. Goku still need feel a ki to teleport to someplace. Characters like Mu, Shaka or Death Mask can teleport to any place without restrictions. They can even teleport to other dimensions.

    "DBZ characters can destroy a planet".

    So what. Saga of Gemini has an attack with the power of an exploding galaxy. The Athena Exclamation (a technique who need only 3 gold saints) has a power EQUAL TO THE BIG BANG.....they can wipe an entire dimension with that.

    Not only that....tell me...what kind of defense have DBZ characters against dimensionals attacks, absolute zero freezing, Starlight Extinction (can erase you from the existance instantaneously), Tenbu Horin (can destroy your five senses), Death Waves (send your soul to the hell)....etc etc..... DBZ characters can't counter any of these....and there are several other attacks like that in the series.

    So....(excluding anime "cosmics) DBZ characters aren't the ultimate power in the anime.
     
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    Alright, you proved your point, now what?
     
  3. vagnard Well-Known Member

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    :sad :crying
     
  4. k1nj3 Active Member

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    i like this thread

    :glomp
     
  5. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    Obviously you forgot the golden rule, DBZ IS h4x! THEY CAN BLOW UP PLANITSSs!1

    IF THEY GOT AND POWERFULL CHARACTAR TO FIGHT THEY GO NEW SUPER SOYENTJINTO LEVEL 50)()!!11onehundredeleven

    DBZ IS SSOOooo STOOPEED!!!!
     
  6. Id The Demon of Elru

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    Yeah Some one like Broly, a pissed of Vegita or Frezza (pritty much all the strong bad guys after the Vegita Saga) would blow up the planet. But here is the thing. While Dragonball Z have destructive power. Thier quality is kinda low.

    I dont see no Cara surviving the Athena Exlacamtion. Who would its the equivalent of a small size Big bang. Anthying thats gets cught in that zone is done for.

    Next we have Cara like Shion, Shaka, Dohko, Saga. Starlight Extinction,Tenbu Horin, 100 (or was it 1000) Rising Dragons, Another Demension. All are some terrible attacts not only destructive but can be traped or senses taken away.
     
  7. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    Vegeta has the Big Bang Attack, and that hasn't even killed anyone :wink
     
  8. Rice Ball Well-Known Member

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    At least you can se a DBZ character in a Battledome without it being totaly oop against another character.

    Almost as bad as the pre crisis DC stuff (Superman and Hal playing catch with planets and flash running back in time)
     
  9. Gunners .

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    you have to rember with dbz they get the calculations all wrong. i beleive the characters move at light speed just with gotenks going around the world he messed up.

    stuff like being able to do certain things then struggling lifting a building in gt shows that.
     
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    Yeesh, Saint Seiya looks like it has the potential to be the next DS.

    Sorry?
     
  11. DarkLordDragon Well-Known Member

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    Now this will be one big topic, I remember in a DBZ forums once was a fight of Saga vs Goku and it reached 13 pages without a final conclusion

    No you are wrong, Vegeta's attack name is the Big Bang but the Athena Exclamation have the power force equal to the real Big Bang not the name only there is big difference between a name and reality

    It's true DBZ's characters can destroy planets, galaxies call whatever you like but the Saints have ability that the Z Warriors wont be able to resist or do a thing about it! face it guys Goku or Brolly would never be able to take the GenRouMaouKen unaffected!

    But again if the saints REALLY wanted to destroy they can but they never wanted to destroy planets and in the anime saint seiya destroying planets doesn't serve the plot device :)

    If you remember in the original manga and the anime it was stated that a real saint with their fists can destroy stars but again we never saw this happenning! Kuramada himself said if Mu and Shaka fought they will fight for 1000 war using the best of their attacks and specials which will result in the destruction of the world :)

    Goku, Brolly, Gohan...etc can't fight without their senses, remember Gohan couldn't use both of his hands against Cell so what if Saga or Shaka removed the touch sense from Gohan or Goku they wont be able to move, what if Shaka removed the 6th sense and destroyed the brain! what if Saga, Kanon destroyed the nervous system?

    Millo was able to kill Hector who owned an immortal body because his attack affected the soul directly (Episode G manga)

    Aioria's Photon Burst will enter the body of the opponent and there will be a very huge explosion from the inside, Oob when he was in Baby's stomach he was close to kill Baby from the inside what if there was pure energy and cosmo.

    Shaka was able to live in the abyss of time and space, place beyond the time and space and he could have returned but he wanted to help Ikki.

    So again it's not about the speed or destruction power, there are many ways to defeat your enemy

    Remember Saga, Shaka, Shura...etc can hide their life energy so even if Goku used his IM he wont be able to locate them and before Goku appears in a different dimension, planet...etc there will be some movements or noise or winds (According to Super 17 from GT)

    And yeah guys let's not forget characters like Hades who have the ability to control the Solar system and do whatever he likes!

    Thanatos can attack his enemy even if they were million of light years away
     
  12. DarkLordDragon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's what I call a plot device they are shouting every time a certain character have a light speed or he can be even faster than the light then you will see him flying and using his best speed to cross few KM and originally he is supposed to be faster than that that's what's I call a plot device

    but again if the calculations has been missed up I can say this for Saga, who had the ability to launch a lightspeed attack without his Gold Cloth and we all know that the Gold Cloth sharply increase one's speed, strength, power...etc

    C'mon guys Aioria with his technique was able to do a 100,000,000 track of light per second this is unbelieveable @_@

    The same rules apply for the Saints, Seiya and his friends proved they can increase and burn their cosmos infinitely the moment we think they reached a peak of their cosmos they start talking about miracles and burn their life energy even more even beyond the 7 & 8th sense

    oh yeah there are some of the gold saint who overcome death like Shaka, Kanon, Dohko
     
  13. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    It was a joke :sweatdrop

    Anyway, I've always known DBZ was overhyped on various threads. They aren't as powerful as many want to make them out to be, and lose battles on a routine basis around here, now that we have our facts straight.
     
  14. Id The Demon of Elru

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    The reason thier so over hype was
    one episode 500 power level
    next 150000 power level
    next 500000000 power level.

    And then there was a once you reach SS. Thats the max.
    Then there was UL SS.
    Then UL2 SS
    Then SS2
    Then SS3

    And countless planests being blown up in the process.
     
  15. DarkLordDragon Well-Known Member

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    yeah I understand but being a saint seiya fan wont let me to deny the fact that some of them will be able to finish some of the saints too or the opposite it depends on the technique and the character, take for example someone like Brolly, he can destroy the planets and Galaxies with ease but he don't know how to fight well or locate his enemies' life force and to prove that see Brolly's second coming movie, while he was fighting Chibi Trunks, Trunks were hiding behind the waterfall and Brolly was infront and he didn't know that Trunks was there and when Brolly see inside Trunks comes out (Like Tom & Jerry) :laugh

    just imagine if Brolly fought against someone like Shaka who have the ability to completely hide his life-force, Brolly will be hunted by his Tenbu Horin, a technique where the opponent lose everything he have, the ability to attack or defend or even running away :oh
     
  16. Id The Demon of Elru

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    So my point is that Dbz was incosinsitant. It was like this is the hight lv of power. And next episode well it turns out this is the highest lv. and so on.

    But Saint Seiya always stated

    Bronze
    Silver
    Gold
    God

    From the First Time you saw Leo and explained that to Seiya laid it down for him.
    Unless you reach 7 th sense you wont win even with the gold armor the only person that can beat us is a God. And it stayd true for the rest of the series up until Seiya and friends got thier God Armors AT THE END of the manga.
     
  17. ydraliskos minimal

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    He struggled at 40 tons at 300gravities , not 40 normal tons.
     
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    Tell that to that android... :(
     
  19. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    My memory might be a littly fuzzy... but I guess I could always lie and say that I knew about the android, and didn't count it, because it was never really alive! (wait, wasn't that in a movie? those don't count! :p )
     
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    :thumbs finally another saint seiya thread...saint seiya would own DBZ in every possible way:D...shaka could take on all the Z warriors by himself...
     
  21. Tousenz Banned

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    Android 19 , the fat one who got his arms ripped off , then was the first one hit with the big bang.
     
  22. Id The Demon of Elru

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    Ok The Fat Andriod got blown to piceses by Vegita.

    But did lil to nothing to Cell.
     
  23. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    I don't remember 19 being destroyed by a Big Bang specifically... anyway we're getting off topic here.

    Lets not forget Piccolo's 'Big Wang Attack'. Now that should do some damage to any saints!
     
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    yeah right...:laugh..piccolo would be the owned by the weakest saint..even a bronze saint would take him...excluding the main characters of course they can beat up almost anyone...
     
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    Are we going to be banning Saint Seiya characters soon?
     
  26. Tousenz Banned

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    I sure hope so. People are just using them to say how anyone who goes against them is dumb -_-;;
     
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    No worries, we could just pit them against DS.
     
  28. DarkLordDragon Well-Known Member

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    I don'tl ike you to overdid this, Shaka is strong and he might kill those who habe been hunted by his Tenbu Horin but again even Shaka wont be able to dodge hundreds of Planet Busting attacks so he can't take all of them together...
     
  29. DarkLordDragon Well-Known Member

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    C'mon guys that's not true, there are people who would be able to defeat the saints, such as Pyron from NightWarriors, Jedah from Darkstalkers, Tsunami from Twilight Of the Dark Master but again making the whole SS cast fight a group of fighters that's what I call dumb :)
     
  30. Kamendex Retired from Forum

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    There was no mention of gravity on otherworld....stop making things up. If you used common sense you would know that if the manga says 40 tons and doesnt mention anything about gravity, it is 40 tons. Deal with it, Dragonball characters arent as strong as you thought they were.
     
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