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Dems worry Trump will win over economy

Discussion in 'The NF Café' started by EJ, May 16, 2018.

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    Democrats are growing worried that the strong economy, and ’s messaging about his economic stewardship, will help Republicans in this year’s midterm elections and have an even greater impact in 2020.

    Even as signs point to Democrats winning back the House, the party is concerned that their hopes of a blue wave could turn into something smaller if Trump and the GOP are effective on their economic messaging ahead of November.

    Interviews with more than a dozen Democrats suggest a number of people in the party are worried that Democrats aren’t doing enough to provide a counterargument.

    “It’s a very big concern,” said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. “The economy is the No. 1 issue out there for people and right now Trump has a very aggressive economic message that seems to cross traditional party lines to voters.”

    The unemployment rate, which fell under former President Obama, has dropped even further since Trump took office. In April, it hit 3.9 percent, the lowest figure since December 2000.

    Lake said Democrats can’t assume that because Trump’s approval ratings are low, it will translate into voter support for Democrats on the economy.

    “We tend to just assume that people will view us as better on this issue and they don’t, and you can’t win elections when you’re behind on the economy,” she said. “To produce a real blue wave, you need to have an economic message.”

    Basil Smikle, a Democratic strategist who served as the executive director of the New York State Democratic Party, also said Democrats are losing the messaging war when it comes to the economy.

    “The problem is, we could say the auto industry is still alive because of President Obama, unemployment went down during the Obama administration, we can say that businesses were doing better and hiring more [under Obama]. All of that is true,” Smikle said.

    “But the Republicans have spent so much time saying that Obama was to blame, it’s going to be hard going back to rehash that argument,” Smikle said. “We’ve been playing defense for so long we haven’t had a cohesive message that is about big ideas and getting people to believe in these ideas again.”

    A CNN poll out this month showed that 57 percent of those surveyed think the country is doing well, an uptick from 49 percent in February. At the same time, a CBS poll also out this month showed that 66 percent of those polled believe the economy is good.

    Republicans, for their part, aren’t feeling super confident that voters will reward them for the good economy.

    GOP lawmakers have to The Hill that they haven’t received more credit for the tax-cut bill signed by President Trump.

    The CBS survey showed 46 percent disapproved of the bill, while 43 percent approved. The poll also showed that 62 percent said the law would either hurt them or have little effect on their well-being.

    Pointing to those statistics, some Democrats say their party should hit Republicans over the law, arguing it benefitted corporations and the wealthy more than the middle class.

    “Most Americans agree that the bulk of benefits from tax reform won’t help them but will help Trump’s billionaire friends,” said Democratic strategist Christy Setzer. “That’s gold, candidates. Please use it.”

    A possible messaging frame for the Democrats’ argument, Setzer added, should be that “Trump is a grifter looking to profit off the American taxpayer, and if his dirty friends like Michael Cohen also get rich as a result, even better. But he’s not looking out for you.”

    Democratic strategist Jim Manley acknowledged that “the last thing Democrats should do is try and knock down the economy.” Still, he agreed those in his party can point out that the administration’s tax policy is “skewed to the wealthy” and Democrats should seize on that opening.

    “Republicans aren’t spending a lot of time talking about the tax cuts and there are very few if any Republicans who want to talk about it,” he said.

    Despite Smikle’s argument that voters are dug in on the Obama years, former Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.) said Democrats should also be showcasing the fact they were the ones who rescued the economy from “falling off the cliff.”

    “We need to point out that the economy is on the same trajectory it was on when left office,” Tauscher said.

    Others say the party needs to take it a step further.

    “Our biggest challenge in the midterms is you’re going to have a waterline on the economy and unless you’re able to articulate a theory of the case, you’re going to be dependent on where that waterline is,” said Chris Lehane, a Democratic strategist.

    “Democrats right now, we’re going up to bat and we’re not even looking to hit,” Lehane added about the messaging. “We’re hoping to get hit by the pitcher so we can walk to first base.”

    Lake proposed creating an economic plan with several points that the party talks about, including investments in education and taking on insurance companies and drug corporations.

    “We need to offer a positive alternative,” she said. “You can’t be something with nothing.”

     
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  2. Mr. Good vibes ZZZZZ

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    Well when you don't have anything to offer it's pretty hard to look like the better option even if your oppositions offer is terrible.
     
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  3. ClandestineSchemer Well-Known Member

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    Your two party system is screwing you Americans over.
    With Trump as the opposition, just how are the democrats still managing to look like shit.
    If they just shut up and let Trump do his thing, they would have a better result than now.

    They just keep looking like a bunch of unorganized, ineffectual, whiny babies with their butthurt over Trump.
    They lost to a moron, but rather than do something positive, they just keep focusing on smearing him.
    It's not like Trumps foolishness is a secret. Adding more dirt on him won't make any difference at this point.

    Rather than offering some alternative, they keep falling to Trumps level, where they are getting clobbered by his experience.
     
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  4. WorkingMoogle Well-Known Member

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    I've said for a while the correct strategy for Democrats is to more or less ignore Trump.

    Plan their campaign(s) based on what they want to accomplish, explain how it's better than the status quo, and if addressed directly about Trump's attacks brush it off as basically "well that doesn't sound like a serious comment." Neuter the ability to reduce debate to sound bites.
     
  5. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure what the problem is for the midterms you don't need to run against the President.
     
  6. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Pros for Trump

    +Economy doing good.
    +Incumbent almost always gets a second term.

    Cons for Trump

    -America normally has a recession once every decade. If one hasn't broken out by June 2019 it will be the longest Recession-less streak in history. The likelihood of a collapse gets greater the closer to that edge we get.

    (The acute stage of the Great Recession ended in June 2009, and the current record for longest expansion is 10 years to the month: March 1991 to March 2001)
     
  7. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    Well Trade War with China seems off the table for now but Iran is still a flashpoint that is probable and if the Straits of Hormuz are compromised Oil Prices will guarantee a recession.
     
  8. WorkingMoogle Well-Known Member

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    Dunno, if the US is going to be imposing sanctions against the rest of the world that might just hurt their economy a bit :zaru
     
  9. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    Trump is unpredictable so do I think in 4 years the economy will be great with Trump as President...not really.
     
  10. stream Do something, Naruto!

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    FTFY. :awesome

    That said, I'm not convinced by the gospel of "a recession every 10 years". We don't have enough data for the rule to be meaningful; and also it is logical that the length of the expansion is commensurate with how deep the previous recession was (and also the next one, which is more worrying).
     
  11. Darth inVaders Whats Been Seen Cant Be Unseen

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    It's funny, the Obama administration made the economy what it is... now Trump's stupid ass gets credit he does not deserve
     
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  12. makeoutparadise I will have my revenge

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    What do you do
    When democracy fails you
    What do you do
    When the rest can't see its true?

    What do you do
    When Democracy's all through
    What do you do
    When minority means you?
     
  13. Drake WORK MAKES YOU FREE

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    Well... The growth the economy is experiencing now was started by Obama but has been accelerated by Trump. It's undeniable that Trump did help the economy grow. However, what remains to be seen is if there will be another recession sometime soon due to his policies.
     
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    Not with gas over 3.00$ a gallon, Trump doesn't even get the economy right. We're still under Obama's economy
     
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  15. EJ ely wins

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    Bitch ass Democrats
     
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    The economy sucks. Most Americans are not doing well financially and the stock market is inflated to hell. That's not even mentioning the student debt bubble, the housing crisis, high perpetual unemployment (do not be fooled by those forged unemployment numbers. Their method of calculating these numbers is faulty on purpose.), slave wages etc ect ect

    oh yeah and those new tax cuts aren't going to be doing wonders for the economy either. The 6 largest banks own 60% of the GDP. When their fraud catches up to them(which it will), the destruction that will reign in this country will be one for the books.

    Me if I see any jumping wall streeters
     
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  17. NeoTerraKnight Well-Known Member

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    That's a very intelligent response. I mean so much detail even without mentioning the whole Trump taking credit from Obama, appealing to racist assholes who likely support him because he's racist and they can vote, the eventual gas price increase thanks to pulling out the Iran deal, and how the blue collar workers are dealing with their lives after they might have voted for Trump or not. Or the fact that if their lives are a-okay, then that's where the economy matters and screw anyone that is colored for trying to live better like them.

    But hey, bitch ass Democrats.
     
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  18. Rukia I’m the fucking game!

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    Trump is a jackass. But I will probably vote for him again. I don't like doing a 180 with our economic philosophy every term.
     
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    Empirically that's not what you've been doing.

    In the last 100 years it's only happened once that the incumbent party has failed to win a second term: Carter 1980.

    It's more like you 180 every two terms.
     
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    And I'm more comfortable with that.
     
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    yeah, bitch-ass Democrats. not surprised to see you caping for the Democrats as usual on account of news such as this.

    It's incredibly easy to address the problems towards the current administration, and its tax cuts gave towards the rich. We have historical evidence within this country, even just recently (a little over a decade ago) in which we can see what happen when tax cuts and de-regulation are implemented. The fact that Democrats have a failure to understand that the market in its current state doesn't address how average day citizens are living on a daily basis financially speaks a lot towards how disconnected the Democratic Party are towards people in general. From the great depression to the Regan years, to George W. Bush, we can see different crashes that have been implemented because of deregulation and tax cuts.

    Basic research can tell you that anyone arguing that the market or economy is "doing extremely well" is of basis for the rich and wealthy, NOT for average day citizens. It's wrong to try and pass this argument now, just as it was dumb to try and argue during the Obama administration:



    The Democrats can EASILY address the failures of the tax bill in which over 80 percent of the benefits going over to the top one percent. The unemployment rate can also be addressed by accounting for the fact that 1. Many of these jobs do not constitute as a manner in which people are earning a living wage ie low-wage jobs. and 2. There are more people that are unemployed. The way those numbers are even found are considered to asinine requirements such as "being unemployed for a certain amount of time" and so forth.

    This is another classic example of the Democrats showing a failure on how to act as a measure to combat this current DISASTROUS administration, and you're literally grasping for straws to try and defend them. You're defending the Democratic Party worrying about not finding a manner to combat an administration who has implemented the same procedures to put this country in economic/market ruin on numerous different occasions. So yeah, bitch-ass Democrats.
     
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  22. Mr. Good vibes ZZZZZ

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    Third party 2020 or bust.:cantrustleme
     
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  23. Batzzaro29 Well-Known Member

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    Mark my word Trump is going to win in 2020 again.

    Only way he could lose if Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson runs for presidency.
     
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  24. NeoTerraKnight Well-Known Member

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    You'll be surprised with what Fox News and Sinclair are capable of along with Russian agents interfering. I mean, it worked before in the 2016 election. In reality, there are a bunch of people think that a disastrous Administration is WORTH IT if they are only disastrous to any non-white American. You know like the shit Michigan GOP are doing with the Medicaid bill that makes it so only rural citizens are not mostly affected barred from getting Medicaid unlike those who live in urban communities and you would know why. One word: Race. Or as people would call it, "economic anxiety".



    Then don't post like a vindictive, apathetic, selfish citizen if you are expected to be treated like one. I'm not grasping straws, you are only tackling me because I called you out on such a petty post and that's very petty to actually try to fucking DEFEND it if you are going to dislike me harshly for it. It's no different from receiving such from a current Trump supporter who would also lash out when called out.

    Guess that Net Neutrality vote by the Senate Democratic Caucus meant very little to you. Also, which party by the way?
     
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    No one is denying there is a sizable racist element of Trump supporters. However, in the US there are mainly people that are concerned about job growth, and the economy as opposed to racial relations within the country. Most people wouldn't screw over the country just to fuck with minorities if it meant their own individual opportunity would be forfeited as well.

    The article speaking in regards to the economy as well as what I have already addressed within my post towards you shows how impractical the Democrats have been here. The Democrats have a failure to capitalize off of the failures of this administration through the disastrous tax bill, healthcare, the market/economy, how millions of Americans make $30,000 or less, our nearly failing infrastructure, and so forth. Yes, it goes a lot deeper than just racial relations within the United States.

    Please, get the fuck out of here with your "Y-Your post was really petty and mean towards the Democrats!" rhetoric. I have expressed on different occasions why the Democrats are a failure of a party right now in terms of representing the American people on a more adequate level. Yes, you are grasping for straws in a desperate attempt to defend the Democrats as you normally do.



    Guess which Democrats helped to vote to confirm Hapis to head the CIA? It's so funny, you're everywhere where the Democrats do some good, but you're nowhere to be seen when they do something terrible.
     
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    It's all well and good that they worry, but they haven't come up with or suggested alternatives to the policies presented by the current administration. Their strategy to try and demean Trump and his base hasn't been working, but they haven't done anything to present themselves as the better alternative, which is why they're failing.
     
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    There's plenty of things Democrats can capitalize on for the midterms, namely:

    - Wealth inequality is worse than ever before
    - A strong economy doesn't mean much for the millions of people who are still poor, and Trump cares more about bragging about himself than really helping the poor
    - Trump's constant trade wars are causing counter tariffs that are having a negative impact on American workers
    - Obamacare repeal failed, and no real replacement has happened yet. Healthcare costs are also still rising, and the right has provided no real solution yet
    - The tax bill caused a deficit explosion that primarily benefits the super wealthy, and the Republicans so far have no plan to reign in spending before the next recession happens

    And those are just for the economy alone. There's still plenty of other popular issues that Democrats can bring up. Marijuana legalization, net neutrality, infrastructure, renewable energy, not constantly embarrassing the US like Trump keeps doing. There's a lot that can bring voters to be table, though it seems like we'll have to rely on progressives to push for it.
     
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    Sounds like I might be able to afford a house in Denver if we get a recession! :ho
     
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    As usual the Dems let the Republicans control the narrative. The economical recovery started with Obama, he gave Trump a sound economy all Trump did was open America's legs wider for companies by undoing regulations left and right (Had to hide report about record levels of water and air pollution result from said actions). Coupled with the alienation of progressives I wouldn't be surprised if this blue wave turns out to be a blue fart.
     
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    As they should. Trump's policies have given the unemployed jobs, the poor raises...and all the Left has to come with in retort is "the wealthy are also getting raises."

    Trump's policies makes money and benefits the country. If you want to live in a socialist hellhole where everyone is poor then just move to Venezuela.
     
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