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Derieri (NnT) vs Katakuri (OP)

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Dr. White, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Dr. White I'm a shapeshifter, at Poe's masquerade.

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    Two brawlers with amazing senses go at it.
    Location: Random Britannia Coast
    Distance: 20m
    Knowledge: None
    Conditions: Both start in base, unrestricted otherwise.

    If soul hax is too much then restrict it.
     
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    What are derrieres stats these days? I know she just tried to fight esta/mael or whatever the hell he goes by.
     
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    Can Derieri counter FS at all?

    Except with Soulsteal
     
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    She is 23.5 Gt in base. But once she combos off she should be anywhere from 47 to 94 Gt depending on how long the combo is and if she can stun. Speed is mach 3600.

    She also has basic demon abilities like hellfire, soulfuck, darkness manipulation, and regen.
     
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    If kata gets that last heart out can she regen it? :hmm

    As for combo star, well kata can just dodge the blows with pseudo logia skill. Problem is gonna be catching her but if he utilizes the terrain he should take it more times than not.
     
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    No. If he destroys all hearts she is done. But they are located throughout the body.

    Kata will be hardpressed. G4 luffy was tagging him despite no COO on his level and derieri is faster here. Derieri specializes on stunning an opponent and then comboing off. Even Meliodas had some trouble and he is >> Kata in CqC

    Logia stuff isn't a problem thanks to hellfire and darkness nullifying logia.
     
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    G4 snakeman only tagged because of the elaborate attack style. Derri has no finesse and just comes in swinging which he can just dodge.

    As for hellfire, unless she engulfs his whole body he can just plop off the burning sections and go them back. For darkness? What feats of cancelling abilities does it Have? Only recall esta using it on escanor :hmm
     
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    Yeah and he even adapted to the elaborate attack style at a certain point.

    He went from not being able to consistently dodge a single Jet Culverin to dodging a gatling/flurry of them (Black Mamba) while closing the distance on some matrix shit
     
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    Katakuri with better ranged abilities
     
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    Katakuri scales to comfortably 84GT+, whereas Derriere needs to build herself up a lot to even be able to reach half of it. Even longer for additional scaling, if any.

    Due to both of them being brawlers and Soulsteal being restricted, Katakuri would break her out of her Combo just as easily as a 48GT Meliodas did. And Kata is superior to that scaling by twice the amount.

    Indura Derriere would be a different fight, seeing how she deciamtes 96GT people like the Archangels.

    If Soulsteal is not restricted she also would have a better chance, seeing how she very ruthless uses it regulary.

    Without all that: Katakuri
     
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    Katakuri since soul rip and Indura is restricted.
     
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    Indura is not restricted
     
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    Indura Derriere would win.
     
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    Deri can sort of do the same though with her darkness appendages.

    She should be able to engulf him, or atleast injure him. He does have decent counters though.

    Darkness nullified Escanor's sunshine but it was too stronk and he simply reignitied it as he powered up and recently it stopped Tamriel from going logia.
     
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    Can she even use Indura anymore? Aside from Chandler and Cusack, the TC have to sacrifice 6 of their hearts to use that form. Since Derieri has already done that before a d is left with one it can't be done unless you give her all 7 again.
     
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    Yeah, not going to gimp her here by sticking to her logistical heart count story wise. Just pitting her up at her strongest.
     
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    Okay then.

    I stopped reading OP, but from what I'm given to understand about Katakuri he should win thanks to Derieri being such a limited fighter and his CoO being so great.

    Indura and soulrip are her only options for victory.
     
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    The difference between unquantifiably above 96 GT and unquantifiably above 84 GT isn’t insurmountable. Inside the NNT verse less than 2x differences in power may allow a character to stomp another character but outside of it less than 2x isn’t usually that big a difference.

    Something worth considering is that Indura Derrière loses her reasoning ability and attacks like a beast. So wouldn’t that mean she loses any ability she had to use strategies or think up counters to her opponent’s strategies?

    Katakuri’s awakening is excellent for attacking from a distance (multiple Mochi arms to punch with, trapping the opponent in the ground, burying them under a pile of Mochi to suffocate them, etc...), with just his normal devil fruit he can stretch his limbs and expand their size just as well or better than Luffy (Katakuri showed that pretty well with his larger Elephant Gun), he can shoot off his arm like a rocket punch with Grilled Mochi, and Katakuri’s ultimate attack traps the opponent as they get stuck to his giant spike covered Mochi Arm and slammed into the ground full force.

    She has to close the distance before she can put her strength advantage to good use, but without her ability to reason wouldn’t she just get knocked back over and over and not even try to come up with a strategy? At that point eventually I would just see Katakuri resorting to his spear which he spins and thrusts with enough force that it's like a blender. And as soon as he hits that last heart with the spear he can tear it apart without needing to remove it by just continuing to spin his spear.
     
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    Derieri is still a demon with access to hellfire and darkness, so she isn't limited to just punching in CqC, that's just her bread and butter. Red Demons alone have aoe with hellfire that outmatches Kata.

    She does lose her smarts but gains overwhelming power/speed that was putting even ludo on his ass.
     
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    I don't think Kata would be unable to dodge a large scale attack like that. Jumping above it should work or he can turn his entire body into mochi and go deep into the ground.

    Katakuri can put armament on his awakening attacks so they won't burn easily other so perhaps they could shield him. Power Mochi is essentially a giant Block Mochi Arm so I could definitely see it acting as a giant pillar that would keep whatever is behind it from getting burned.

    And awakening allows Katakuri to attack Derriere from any direction from a distance due to how it covers the entire ground. That's something Derriere can't replicate as she wouldn't be able to attack Katakuri from behind in a surprise attack when she's standing face to face with him.

    I just think the power gained isn't enough to make up for losing the ability to strategize. Without the ability to strategize she's very liable to just spam the same attack over and over and not learn from any mistakes. Katakuri already can predict her actions with CoO but her being even more predictable and not forcing Katakuri to use many different types of counters instead of the same counter over and over will mean he doesn't have to expend as much effort and landing his own attacks will also be easier with her movements being more repetitious.

    Really? I don't think Jet Culverin is that simple to replicate. In addition to how it changes direction with sharp turns it's supposed to accelerate with each turn getting faster as it continues. Luffy likely used Snakeman and Jet Culverin over going with Boundman and the normal Culverin likely because a normal Culverin wouldn't cut it due to how it keeps the same rate of speed no matter how long it goes on for.

    Aside from that Kata also already adapted to even Jet Culverin as I mentioned (dodging each Jet Culverin that made up a Jet Culverin Gatling, since that's what Black Mamba essentially was). So post Luffy-fight it wouldn't be anywhere near as much of an issue for him.

    I could see Katakuri actually sending Derriere's hellflame back at her. He can shoot off his own arm like a rocket punch with Grilled Mochi. He can use Block Mochi arms to block the initial impact of hellflame and just get sent flying back a bit by it, and if his arms are still on fire afterwards he can use Grilled Mochi with both of them and then reform his arms afterwards.

    Block Mochi is also another good tool for stopping Derriere from starting a combo. Its a defense so hard that it hurts Luffy's armament covered hands and makes them throb in pain when he tries to punch it. Derriere might normally be able to start a combo on someone who's blocking with both of their arms and eventually break through that defense with combo star but here she'd be reeling from the pain as soon as she punches Kata's block mochi arms even once.
     
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    I don't see how those would practically help him given Deri can fly and erase large chunks of land. He really hasn't shown ability vs large AOE so idk why you think he'd dodge easily from someone faster than himself.

    The demon fire can even burn things wholly resistant to fire and won't extinguish like regular fire, so idk how well that would work over time.

    True but she can still fly. Also she can emenate darkness from herself if surrounded, which is what she did when she got trapped in an ark.



    She began tearing up Ludociel, and Monspiet went from losing against Sariel to one shotting sariel and tamriel so yeah the power gained is pretty substantial.The scope of her attacks also get enhanced to the point where a tail attack completely level hundreds of meters of ground/forest.


    Not really because he is going to be so focused on defense. Just because she turns feral doesn't mean she is retarted. Indura are beast of destruction and the most animalistic a person can become. Animals have really great instincts, so it's not like she is just going to throw the same 1 two over and over again.


    Yeah, it's malleable and can stretch like we saw with Red Demon Hendricksen's use of it. The point is multiple shadow tendrils attacking someone from different angle, and Deri being slightly faster already can work to overwhelm him.

    Comparing oranges and apples Imo/



    Uhm I doubt it. She could just dodge if he did this and this wouldn't work against a large aoe attack surrounding him.

    you make it sound like he can just willy nilly deal with hellfire when he is literally a sugar cake. Hellfire also cucks regen so doubt he can just make more mochi if it's burning him and darkness can cuck his ability to turn into mochi. That's pretty damning for him.

    Derieri is much stronger than any version of Luffy outside of G4. Derieri is also a demon with an extreme pain tolerance (see her arm getting shredded by Sariel and her going with the flow and stabbing him in the eye with her arm bone) and regeneration, so my money is on her being able to wail away and stack her DC without being hindered by hitting something hard.


    . Derriere might normally be able to start a combo on someone who's blocking with both of their arms and eventually break through that defense with combo star but here she'd be reeling from the pain as soon as she punches Kata's block mochi arms even once.[/QUOTE]
     
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    For darkness are we allowing her to seal someone stronger than her? Because I know in the case of escanor v. esta he broke out because it was getting closer to noon but what's the case hear? :hm

    As for Tarmiel sealing, who's darkness sealed his logia ability, derri or mael/esta ?
     
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    Estarossa sealed Tarmiel's water logia.
     
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    Utilizing Darkness. Pretty simple.

    Same way utilizing Haki cancels Logia.
     
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    It doesnt matter anyway since Katakuri and other top tier logia have found a way to avoid haki attacks. Deris pretty basic combat style wont help her against Katakuri
     
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    As a TC she's expected to be able to use Hellfire, darkness, and know basic soulrip.
     
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    Not all haki is equal tho, hence why Akainu getting attacked by vista and marco meant shit to him. That's why finding Derri's best hellfire and darkness feat is important here.
     
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