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Diavolo vs Sheer Heart Attack

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Deer Lord, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. OneSimpleAnime

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    man yall really dont get how the timeskip works lol
     
  2. Kurou

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    Says the nigga who was treating it like a 10 second time stop :dank
     
  3. Dreams of Tommorow

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    it doesn’t matter

    ALL things are autonomous in thier previous movement before the time skip until after the time skip is over

    sha is not immune to this. It’s literally the rules of king crimsons ability
     
  4. OneSimpleAnime

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    i literally explained how it wasnt a timestop but alright
     
  5. Kurou

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    You'd be right if SHA wasnt autonomous in its tracking which is based on the heat and movement of its target and does so automatically. It isnt rhe same as buccelati being locked in to his previous actions where he's throwing punches at a target that isnt there anymore. So even if it did have a previous trajectory because diavolo himself moved its no longer going to follow that path
     
  6. Kurou

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    No you were acting as if it were and then tried to back peddle
     
  7. Fang

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    His endurance is fucking trash, endurance and staying power determine how long a Stand User can manifest their Stand and also how long they can directly utilize it once they manifest it outside of their body
     
  8. Fang

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    I don't think you actually understand how King Crimson's timeskip works at all
     
  9. OneSimpleAnime

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    no i didnt, SHA cannot see where Diavolo is during the 10 timeskipped seconds, only the image of where he was and thats the only heat signature it senses.

    do i really need to explain how the timeskip works again?
     
  10. Fang

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    It doesn't need to see Diavolo. The timeskip does not change Diavolo's body heat and the erasing between "cause" to "effect" isn't going to help him very long. It automatically tracks its target solely by heat and body temperature. Diavolo will timeskip, time will jump forward 10 seconds, explosion still happens. GG
     
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    Would be a much more fair situation if he had Secco helping him or some shit to factor in how Koichi's Act 3 helped out (Oasis would be much less effective but hey). As-is I don't see how this is anything but Diavolo stalling the inevitable.
     
  12. Dreams of Tommorow

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    it doesn’t matter, that’s the explanation of the ability

    all things are autonomous during the time skip and cannot change trajectory during the 10 seconds of time that is skipped but diavolo
     
  13. Kurou

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    :tiredpepe
     
  14. Dreams of Tommorow

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    what part of it cannot change anything during the 10 seconds that time is skipped is being lost here

    do we have an example of remote stands ignoring the rules of another stands ability as opposed to just tanking it or some shit that I’m missing
     
  15. Fang

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    That's not how King Crimson's ability works. Also Diavolo can not actually attack in the segment of time that gets erased during the side effect of the timeskip. All he can do is move around a limited area thanks to the short range of King Crimson's influence. So again, he's cutting out the middle section from point a to b, and the explosion still happens. He removes the "cause" in causality, not the "effect", hence the "effect remains".

    You fundamentally do not understand this makes a horrid mismatch for KC because SHA is not a Stand User, its a Stand ability, Diavolo can not position himself to attack someone to remove SHA during the timeskip. Which leads to the simple fact he'll get exposed and blown up in the end.
     
  16. Fang

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    Work on your reading comprehension :tiredpepe
     
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    You seem to be missing common sense


    No one can change its actions because theyve already begun to make those actions.


    But something autonomous that isnt locked in to its decisions wouldnt have that problem.

    Its not going to be chasing some heat signature that isnt there anymore as if Diavolo moves his heat does with him and SHA would follow.


    Youre acting as if it'd be stuck chasing some after image of diavolo's heat until time began to resume but as we know of how KC works everything that would happen in the time skip still happens so if diavolo moves it would still change direction to follow even in the time skip and when it resumes the situation wont have changed. Diavolo would still have SHA hot on his trail. This isnt that hard to get :kanyeshrug
     
  18. Dreams of Tommorow

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    no, if the abilities explanation differ from actual performance than it is what it is.



    says that only it can act during the time skip and I’m trying to figure out why you feel an interpretation overrides the rules of the stands ability

    if it says nothing can act during that time
    skip, me as the reader should assume such unless presented with contradictory information
     
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  19. Dreams of Tommorow

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    the rules of the ability state that nothing can act during the time skip but diavolo and all actions will continue autonomously until the time skip is over

    you’re acting as if me reading and applying what the stand does here is ludicrous
     
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    Clearly everyone is just wrong, KC just works
     
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    Not really

    Im not saying people can still pick and choose what they do in the time skip duration


    But its been shown that shit that would still happen will still happen regardless and its the main reason they were able to tell when he was using KC at one point


    Something automatic like SHA which doesnt have to think or anything will automatically track him regardless of what he does in the skipped time.

    This is something you'd know if you read the manga and not cherry pick a page
     
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    that’s fine. I’ll go with the manga interpretation. scaling sha to the protagonist who deal with kc over and over again to get a handle on how it works doesn’t translate to sha being able to move through skipped time.

    you believe remote stands can move during skipped time thus nullifying a rule of another stands ability stated in the manga.

    I don’t and there’s no precedent for remote stands doing such either and we also have zero examples that support sha or other remote stands ignoring other stands abilities
     
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    Like Fang said he skips cause not effect
     
  24. Dreams of Tommorow

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    what does the manga say
     
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    Its called common sense and its based on shit that happens in the manga
     
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    I call it reading and believing what I read until shown otherwise
     
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    That doesn't align with what your are claiming.

    This means nothing. It doesn't back up what you are claiming.

    Show me a single scan of Diavolo attacking or having his actions do anything during the actual timeskip. He attacks "after" skipping time, never during it.

    You fundamentally have no idea how KC's power works as Kurou as pointed out. When KC fought Sticky Fingers/Bruno in Part 5, Diavolo impaled Burno on KC's fist AFTER he skipped time, not during it. All of his attacks are after the time skip. His actions are as meanginless as anyone's else if he attempts to attack during the time erasure itself because it removes cause, that's why causality is fucked by KC's abilities.
     
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    Bruh


    He's skipping the cause of an action but the action still takes place


    Its how they were able to track him by using dripping blood. He's skipping the blood dropping but the result is its still splattered on the ground which is how they know he activated the ability. Shit that happens will still happen which is why in the case of an automatic stand (not all stands ) like SHA the time skip is useless. It tracks its target based on heat and him moving would change the direction SHA would move regardless of where he goes. It isnt stuck in place like buccelati for instance who actively makes the decision himself to throw punches and cant take it back when in the skipped time. Its not something he does automatically. So if he skips SHA tracking him when time resumes SHA will still be tracking him. This doesnt require a college class
     
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    it isn't like timeskipping through SHA's explosion is gonna do him any good since even the fucking shockwave from it fucked Jotaro up real good

    The best he can do is abuse TS to maybe IDK get close to kira or some shit and try to have SHA blow up in Kira's radius but I doubt it would change anything most of the time.
     
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    lol he cant even do that in this situation because he has no idea who or where Kira even is

    he'd run around and eventually tire out. Kira just sips coffee in some remote diner or some shit thinking about the waitress' hands
     
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