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Did Android 17 receive the single most plot shield in an arc or has someone been given worse?

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Dave Grohl, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. Dave Grohl I'm your fool

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    We all saw that Android 17 not only got a famous bullshit upgrade (like most characters), but he survived blowing himself up, because Shields?

    Has anyone came close to this level of bollocks before?

    I think Trunks comes close in the Black arc.
     
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  2. Prince Vegeta So I be written in the book of love

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    combine all plot from 1st episode of dragon ball until episode 131 of super

    and it won't be half as bad as goku getting MUI.
     
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    Goku in this arc and on Namek

    F Trunks in his arc but even then he didn't get a happy ending so he's behind both 17 and goku
     
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    Where? What plot shield or bullshit upgrade did Goku get on Namek?
     
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    His zenkais were fucking ridiculous. Dude jump from like 20,000 to 180,000 to 3 million whereas the zenkais for vegeta were way less generous, not to mention goku transforming into a super saiyan despite being totally fucked up stamina wise. It was very ToP esque.
     
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  6. Prince Vegeta So I be written in the book of love

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    frieza not killing him for 5 episodes until he became super saiyan

    frieza's 5 minutes lasting 5 years
     
  7. Dave Grohl I'm your fool

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    Yeah, I don't know if it is quite as bad as android 17.

    Wanna hear something terrible though? S-Cells explains some of this. :scust
     
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  8. Xiammes Into Free Supporting Staff

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    17 couldn't blow himself up, he had his bomb removed, we all should have known better.
     
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    Ultra Instinct is literally plot armor
     
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    Zamasu arc Future trunks plot shield:ickkk

    Gokus plot shield:rlynigga

    Vegetas plot shield :kobeha

    Android 2017 plot shield :avalon

    Gohans plot shield :fusain

    Piccolos plot shield:tomha

    Krillins plot shield:mjlol

    Tiens plot shield :oldshrug

    Master roshis plot shield :conspiracy
     
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    Yes the guy went from being weaker than imperfect cell to ssjblue level because he was ranged the shit out of the park and survived his own self destruct. Now if only Toei could give some of that plot shield to my boi Piccolo :catippy
     
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    Oooh, the 33x zenkai boost. Yeah, I still think it's bullshit and I refuse to believe it, largely because I don't buy Goku going from 90,000 to three million in one zenkai where he wasn't even hurt that bad, but Vegeta gets blasted through the chest and lays there bleeding out, and 'only' goes from roughly 350,000 to two million or whatnot.

    For the Super Saiyan part I disagree. The transformation was mentioned by Vegeta as far as back as the Saiyan arc and was built up throughout the Namek arc as something Goku was on the brink to unlocking, but missing one key ingredient. It ended up being pure rage. It's exactly like with SS2, it was Gohan's hidden power that he didn't know how to truly bring out, and Cell specifically pushed him to the point of bringing it out.
     
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    His point wasnt that SSJ came out of nowhere, but that Goku was so gassed when he attained SSJ that it shouldnt have even mattered

    It magically healed him and restored all of his energy and stamina to the point he outlasted frieza who had barely even used any power at all prior to SSJ being a thing and was far less injured

    And we know that SSJ doesnt have any healing properties...So its a bit bullshit

    Albeit awesome and iconic
     
  15. Dave Grohl I'm your fool

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    S-Cells. :scust
     
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    It didn't come out of nowhere. We saw how he achieved it.
     
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    Ultra Instinct has way less hype than SSJ or SSJ2. The build-up wasn't even there.

    Honestly. They just threw it at us and we were like "Oh."

    They could've done better to hint at it being Ultra Instinct rather than Goku just going "I'll go beyond my limits!!!!" - and then we hear nothing about that up until that special.
     
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  19. Brandon Lee Green days are not gone

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    namek arc goku was perfect, don't compare that to super's bullshit please.
     
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    So you mean all of Dragon Ball, if nothing else this is consistent even if fans are head set. And there is no such thing as stamina, Goku's power output surpassed the Android of infinite stamina when he learned to naturally stay in normal Ssj and match perfect cell, and grew even further once he attained Ssjb.
     
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    Infinite stamina =/= endless amount of ki

    17 can stand on a rock and fire ki blasts all day without getting tired out , Goku can only do the same for a short amount of time but Goku’s blasts pack more of a punch
     
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    Blue Goku and Red Goku never had a stamina problem. In red form it was even show that it could heal. In blue form he can easily dictate the output.


    It requires Goku very little time to regain stamina so little time is required and so large a stamina he can regain, make him exceed 17 infinite stamina by a large margin.
     
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    Goku, his plot shield is even bigger than Natsu, Seiya, Asta, Ichigo, Naruto.
     
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  24. animegod12345 My waifu is better than yours

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    I don’t know about Ichigo now that guy is literally every race in the series.
     
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    Android 17 is a fag
     
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    Still mad that 17 can get stronger through wildlife atmosphere and strong enough to survive his own detonation.:kobeha
     
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    Lol no.
    There are other characters that got a greater plot shield than 17.
     
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    He’s still a fag

    He went from being base Toppo’s bitch to not having his head explode instantly from fighting Jiren. His plot shield is retarded no matter how you defend it.
     
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    So are the sayians and there homoerotic transformations
     
  30. Prince Vegeta So I be written in the book of love

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    But can he see through mai's smoke grenades? Can he survive dat bullet
     
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