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Did loosing Hagaromo's Yin & Yang Seal's weaken Naruto & Sasuke?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Cryorex, Oct 30, 2019.

Yes or No?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Cryorex

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    The Seals contained half of Hagaromo's Chakra each. The Yang half for Naruto. The Yin half for Sasuke.

    The Seals had a number of uses, (Black Chidori's, Resurrection, Creation of all Things & so on...).
    Seals which in the end, were used to perform the Six Paths: Chibaku Tensei on Kaguya; which resulted in them loosing the Seals.

    Some people believe that the Seals boosted their Base Stats either somewhat or significantly.
    While others believe that they didn't at all, and were solely there to Seal Kaguya away.
    Some also believing that Hagaromo's Yin/Yang Chakra resided within Naruto/Sasuke permanently, separate from the Seals.

    So what do you think?
    Once lost, did they become weaker, or did they stay the exact same level of power?
     
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    Yes.

    But Naruto lost an entire transformation.
     
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    Yes and no. That transformation is contingent on Naruto having a certain portion of all nine bijuu's chakra. It turns him into a pseudo-Juubi Jin.
     
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    Yes.

    I mean Sasuke don't even use black Chidori ever since VOTE2 iirc
     
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    Their best feats came post Ying/ Yang Seal so the answer is obvious
     
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    No :drake

    How do people not know this in 2019 :dammit

    Naruto and Sasukes best showings all come from after they lose the seals

    End of discussion
    Cool so none of this is true
    Sasuke only uses Black Chidori against Madara
     
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    Yes, in the sense that they lost some abilities and additional chakra.

    No, in the sense that it didn't multiply their own overall power, rather was an additional set of skills and chakra.
     
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    How people can come to the conclusion that they are better losing powers?

    Except he lost the most important thing of that transformation, the truth seeking orbs and he does not have the immunity that all the ten tails jinchurikis had either.
     
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    Yes. Stronger Chakra= stronger body. Kyuubi chakra and sage chakra is just stronger chakra enhancing the body similar to sasuke’s chakra progression impacting his body. The strong chakra from the seals boosted their stats. I dont think they lost the seals just the jutsu used most of the chakra up. As seen with byakugo the seal isnt always visible. I expect the seals to replenish over ltime. But since the seals and hands are gone they lost the enhancements.
     
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    It’s 2019 and people still think 16 year old Naruto and Sasuke are stronger than their adult selves?
     
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    It's [insert current year] and people still hold [insert plausible opinion] to be [insert true or false statement]?
    :heckk
     
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    The strongest respective versions of teen Naruto and Sasuke are hands down the VOTE2 ones as far as feats are concerned.

    After losing the seal, Sasuke casually put the Tailed Beasts under a genjutsu with a single glance, a feat that surprised even Hagoromo and went on to casually encase them in CT satellites.

    He showed greater prowess than he did during the fight against Madara and Kaguya.

    As for Naruto, he absorbed a planet-worth of nature energy and banged out the strongest version of his chakra avatar during VOTE2.

    It was pretty much progressive;
    VOTE2 Naruto/Sasuke > Kaguya fight Naruto/Sasuke > Madara fight Naruto/Sasuke.

    Regarding Naruto; his The Last feats were probably one of his best despite being only in BSM; he tanked and overpowered a moon-slicing attack ( a casual feat ) and defeated a being who was powerful enough to move the moon casually.
     
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    Because they have showed nothing that proves they are stronger, plain and simple.

    Call it nerf by the writers but their feats and fighting style are lackluster compared to their 16 years old version.

    Other than the The Last nonsense, movie that did not even bother to respect the fact that Naruto can't fall in a genjutsu.

    Their strongest forms are still VOTE 2.
     
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    You remember what Naruto did with his TSBs for the entire time he had them ?

    In theory, TSBs have multifarious uses, but empirically, he only ever used them as short staffs, standing platforms and high-speed projectiles.

    The only remarkable thing he did with them was convert them into Tailed Beast Bomb Rasenshuriken.

    Can’t he form a TBBRS without a TSB ? Pretty sure he did in the VOTE2 fight.

    Naruto, in BSM, defeated Toneri, who also had a chakra mode and had an inconsistent amount of TSBs, and Naruto was able to circumvent the bloke’s defenses on several occasions, especially since he could power up his moves with his Sage powers.

    Besides, TSBs are weapons that can easily be lost and if someone has S/T techniques, they can easily transport them to another location.
     
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    Exactly. They are weaker cuz the lack the same power up. Not by alot but a noticeable amount. If Naruto and Sasuke has the seals they be way stronger than vote selves
     
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    Limiting the TSB’s range to 70m and being able to lose them was retarded.
     
  21. Altiora Night

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    In fact, why are we still talking about Naruto-related things in 2019 when these things have been talked about a million times already ?

    Let’s talk about Boruto, Kawaki, Sarada, Mitsuki, Isshiki, Kara and other Boruto-related stuff instead. :blobwut
     
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    Even Naruto was shown able to remotely control the chakra cloaks he gave to the alliance members; TSB users should be able to do the same thing without a distance limit.

    Kishi really had frequent brain farts.
     
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    He did it intentionally so 8G Gai could have a way of fighting Madara without being killed and in order to nerf him for his showdown with Nardo & Sauce.
     
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    90% of the seal power was to seal kaguya while the rest was to heal(yin seal) and amp jutsu(black chidori)

    Their most impressive feat was post seal era. Naruto block an attack that cut the moon in half. Sasuke destroyed a konoha size meteor with just a chidori. Then they went and have fun with momoshiki etc..
     
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    No. The seal was needed only to seal Kaguya.
     
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    The way I see it; the seals contained a tremendous of chakra, which was required to seal the Ten-Tails.

    The reason I’m saying Ten-Tails is because the seals were originally given for that purpose; they ( & Hagoromo ) did not yet know about the Ten-Tails being the result of Kaguya’s fusion with the GT.

    As for the seals, since they were required to seal the beast and as it requires a lot of chakra to do so, it would have been pretty stupid if they wasted the chakra in the seals for powering themselves and their techniques up every single time.

    In fact, we did not even notice that much of a difference when they were fighting each other without the use of the seals, and as others mentioned, they were stronger during the VOTE2 fight.
     
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    but he used it against Naruto too?
     
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    Yes and No.

    Yes because there are certain traits they lost ( Sasuke's Yin Chidori and Naruto's Yang/Yin-Yang Regenerative Power), but also no because the loss of these things did not hinder them from surpassing their 17 year old selves.

    Thankfully (for Sasuke fans) all Sasuke showed when he had the Yin Seal that he doesn't show now was a Yin Chidori so his power really isn't put into question.

    Its Naruto who's the problem since he hasn't displayed half the shit he was capable of when he first received Hagoromo's power.


    But on Yin Chidori.....
    Do we know what this was Sasuke used to attack Kinshiki?
    No he doesn't
     
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    No he didn’t
     
  30. Cryorex

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    Surely if you were carrying amount an insane amount of raw power in a seal that was clearly not fully shut off from their normal chakra.
    It would be passively boosting them to some extent.
     
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