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Do the Truth-Seeking Balls nullify more than Ninjutsu?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by MShadows, Jun 25, 2018.

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  1. MShadows Deathbat Moderator

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    It was said the the Truth-Seeking Balls nullify all Ninjutsu they touch and it was the reason why Minato was disarmed by both JJ Obito and JJ Madara as they prevented the Edo Tensei technique from further regenerating his arms.

    Now the thing is, when the Edo Hokages were released and their souls were about to depart, we see here that Minato's soul is oddly armless as well.

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    Does this mean that the balls have actually permanently damaged his soul as well? Or was this just an artistic choice by Kishi?

    :wat
     
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    His arms probably moved on before him, or Obito ensured he is a cripple in death.
     
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    They affect elemental abilities but things like Kamui (as proven), soul based, abstract abilities, conceptual abilities, no.
    Remember the Death God taking Orochimaru's arms to the afterlife before his full body? Same deal here, the ninjutsu of ET on Minato's arms was negated so it makes sense he "does not have arms" in soul mode either.
     
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    TSOs with yin-yang go beyond ninjutsu. Minato’ arms are proof.
     
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    Minato's arm got erased because of Edotensei, which is ninjutsu. :|
     
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    Minato spirit was missing arms. To put this in perspective, edo Itachi after using izanami, went blind in one eye. Once edo was release, his spirit showed two working eyes and he floated away. Minato AFTER EDO WAS RELEASED, hand his arms still missing. Meaning he was affected beyond/separate from/outside of the edo tensei jutsu. TSOs has directly affected us spirit, of this variety of TSOs included the yin-yang release as mentioned earlier.
     
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    This.

    The Edo Tensei on his arms were nullified; his arms returned to the pure world.
     
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    I guess this is the most logical assumption.
     
  10. Seelentau The All-Knowing.

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    People disagreeing with facts... oof
     
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    being bound is being tied to something. so yes, if the edo is harmed in anyway with In'yoton techniques, their wounds - at least on the attacked area - are reflected onto their souls.

    That's a hard no. :rotfl

    You guys got me all teary-eyed, Klue.

    What we saw is an act of both erasures: a fact indicated in Minato by his soul's disembodied arms. Sufficiently harming an Edo will - in Tobirama's own words - have them "die" (even as bodiless souls). That means both arms did not pass over to the pure land, only faced hard deletion.
     
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    ^ not true. a "soul" has no real singular form. Obito proves this. In the soul world he's a kid. In the present world, after teleporting, his soul was a crumbled mess of chakra with no form. Remember that? That was done without TSB.
     
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    ..that what exactly???
     
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    What the dickens are you talking about?
     
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    The visible soul form in the normal plane is not the real form of a soul. Chakra makes it visible. This is proven by Obito.

    TSB has nothing to do with affecting Minato's soul itself.
     
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    I'm left wondering what myself? :sag

    We are talking about souls that graft to Edo Tensei and the processes by which In'yoton harm it, he's talking about...what's he on about again?

    whose form should it be? Tyra Banks?

    Lawd have Mercy! now I done seen it all. :lmao
     
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    @Ganta literally quotes the manga and y'all don't believe him...
     
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    What are you talking about? TSB's cannot harm a soul itself just the jutsus which bind it.

    Who did I say it was? Re-read what I said for me will ya. Never did I change that.

    Reality at times happens to be much more surprising than fiction and accepting it much harder than fanfiction.
     
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    Minato's soul will probably regenerate over a long period of time.
     
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    This pretty much, Orochimaru's case gives us a good idea of how it would work.

    If Kaguya's jutsu didn't completely destroy Obito's soul, then Minato's soul not being permanently damaged isn't a complete stretch.
     
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    That is right. And it's not that Obitos soul wasnt completely destroyed, no, while the visible chakra form on the plane of the living was complete mush to mirror his body, his actual soul form is Unharmed.
     
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    Spoiler: carefully read his posts here

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    Techniques like Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei dealt with Minato, not Obito's spirit. So I don't think your comparison works at all.
     
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    ^ Nothing is reflected onto anything in this case. I already explained this.
     
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    Do you think Kaguya's ash bones are inferior to TSBs... do you? :maybe
     
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    @Ganta That's nothing. Go mess around with gamefaq to kill time, you'd quickly lose your mind. One guy is even convinced Sakura will show sharingan due to the time Sarada developed inside her.







    keep that explanation away from me. :supercat
     
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    The OP wants to know if souls get permanently damaged based on Minato's soul lacking arms.
     
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    Had to delete a bunch of comments. Please refrain from back-and-forth baiting and/or derailing the thread. If you received a post deletion alert notification you know I'm talking to you. :ufdup

    Except for you, @Yagami1211 @Laz'rus
     
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    As far as we know, no, Izanami has not taken his vision out yet. Yes, his eyes may be weird without any tomoe or design, but that is not definitive proof that he is blind.
     
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    :huh
     
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    I always thought it was CHAKRA all around that it nullifies/erases with an exception of Sage/Six Paths Chakra.
     
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