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Does Ichigo alone stand a chance.....

Discussion in 'Bleach' started by shunsui1, Aug 6, 2017.

  1. shunsui1 Getting my bankai stolen

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    Against the elite Sternritter?
    Other than Askin how would RG training ichigo(which means he has access to his hollow half after a short time fighting.) Stand against Pernida
    Gerard
    Lille
    Uryu
    Haschwald
    And because I consider them very tough competitors Royd(Yhwach form) and Gremmy.

    Personally I believe that based off of how they were built up to be Ichigo gets wrecked by everyone except Gremmy and Royd.

    I put Ichigo above yama after training but he is outclassed by the elites. Even Uryu can best him as long as he can survive a powerful attack from Ichigo. From there antithesis does the rest leaving Ichigo in a horrible situation.

    Kubo even though he didn't make their demise believable he did build up the elites to be monsters and be credible threats.

    But I would also like other opinions on this matter and if you disagree tell me why we can discuss it.
     
  2. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    only lille could have beaten a full-powered Ichigo.

    everyone else would have died from one serious blow.
     
  3. Xeogran "After all, I need you to entertain me."

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    Haschwalth solos.

    Pernida takes too much strategy for the likes of "I-only-swing-my-sword" to win.

    Gerard was super OP, I don't even know what could stop him.
     
  4. CrownedEagle Knight of Erza

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    With his feats, he can only win against Pernida, he already lose against Askin and the others are too haxx for his style.
     
  5. egressmadara Wanderin' About

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    at their strongest:

    stomps uryu, royd, and gremmy.probably Haschwalth too....

    Loses to Pernida, Gerard, and Lille since he can't do anything to them.
     
  6. Keishin Well-Known Member

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    He probably loses to the EG, Uryu and Hasch.. Gerard, Uryu and Hasch would just reflect all the damage on Ichigo and be at 100% afterwards so that's a battle he can't win. The only thing he has is speed but it doesn't matter because they can deal damage regardless of that, because he can't dodge their scrifts.

    Royd Yhwach should lose because he didn't have that great hax to his name. Gremmy gets stomped too.
     
  7. lol 4th dimension reiatsu Well-Known Member

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    He defeats everyone since the manga was pretty clear that reiatsu>everything. Because is literally one spiritual being existence crushing another soul.

    Ichigo breaking a spell in the first chapter

    Grimmjow warping/piercing space with GRC

    Barragan being only the second Espada

    Aizen vs Soi Fong

    Isshin vs Aizen

    Urahara vs Aizen

    Ywach vs Liltotto

    Gremmy vs Kenpachi

    Ichigo killing the soul king three times when the inmortality of two SRE comes from it and is an existence Orihime's power can't affect.
     
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  8. CaptainCommander Member

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    Ichigo stomps royd and eventually takes out Gremmy; howlong depends on how serious each one is but eventually Ichigo will just win like Zaraki.

    A serious Ichigo may have defeated Askin, but as it stands he gets KO'd. The rest are too much for him. The one Elite he might crush is Pernida but only if he uses a very powerful attack while there is only one small version of her.
     
  9. shunsui2929 Member

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    With Hollow+Bankai powers, yes. With just his normal Shinigami shikai state(post RG training), he probably loses to Gerard, Askin(already show in Manga), and Lille. Pernida can be beaten pure force. Obviously, Ichigo is going to lose against Uryuu and Hashwalth.
     
  10. Clowe King of Nothing

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    Her? Did the hand had a vagina I didn't know about? :lmao
     
  11. Divell King of Trolls

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    If Ichigo stopped fucking around. Only the Elites would have had a chance at stopping him. He would have gone Nimaiya on all of their asses easy. Same with guys like Kenpachi, Aizen, etc. Dudes seriously need to stop fucking around.
     
  12. Grimm

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    Considering how this is THE End of the Manga Main Character that was facing the Final Villain who was far and beyond above any of his underlings...
    I would say that he with the Hollow Powers alone would be sufficient to defeat any of them. Certainly would stomp their faces into the ground with Bankai given how Yhwack remarked it as being dangerous for even himself.

    But I dunno... ability-wise without the whole reiatsu-bullshit that only works in this series when it's convinient... I can't see him getting past Lille.

    He can deal with all the other 3 with brute force easily before they prepare anything(Askin) or get stronger(Pernida-Gerard), but Lille is a completely different matter, you literally cannot touch him in any way.
     
  13. The Strawberry Carrot Top Bow down to the king

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    He doesn't get pass Lille or Gerard. Everyone else gets the Shaz Domino treatment. Bankai Ichigo stomps everyone because his bankai was strong enough to threaten soul king absorbed + almighty Yhwach.
     
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  14. Grimm

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    Gerard is quite easy to defeat actually... He starts up pretty damn weak... Ichigo if serious just vaporizes the dude with Gran Rey Cero at the beggining and even if he evolves he would eventually reach a limit... Said limit certainly wouldn't be above Ichigo at the peak of his power. And should not be. Otherwise might as well make him reach Yhwack's level.
     
  15. CaptainCommander Member

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    And then the Miracle comes back stronger . . . .

    Are people just giving Ichigo a handicap here or are they stupid enough to have forgotten Pernida's insane durability? Even Zaraki couldn't put more then a dent in the left hand of God and I don't see base Ichigo being much if any stronger than him.
     
  16. Divell King of Trolls

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    Based on what?
     
  17. Divell King of Trolls

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    Kenpachi retracted his sword as soon as he hit him because he noticed something was wrong. And the second time, he still damaged him.
     
  18. Revan Reborn Redeemed

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    Pretty sure Ichigo wouldn't meet Gerards conditions for the miracle to activate. Ichigo would have no fear of losing to that guy.
     
  19. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    I think Renji and Byakuya did not have fear of that guy when they were beating him and yet he got bigger. Byakuya even conquered the Fear...literally.
     
  20. Revan Reborn Redeemed

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    Gerard claims to be able to manifest "miracles" upon himself by giving form to the thoughts, feelings, and desires of himself and those around him. By focusing on the enemy's fear of being unable to destroy him, he is also able to covert any physical damage upon him to increase his size and might.

    I got this from Wiki.
     
  21. Divell King of Trolls

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    Does Kenpachi feels fear?
     
  22. Morglay .

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    He got scared in the Noitora fight when he thought Noi didn't bleed. You know, being the superultramegaedgelordfeedmebloodimavampiretwihardfaggot he is.
     
  23. Divell King of Trolls

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    He never got scared. The closest moment to that was when he said he may die.
     
  24. Revan Reborn Redeemed

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    Only putting a dent in huffong, would of shocked him.
     
  25. Divell King of Trolls

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    Except shock is not the same as fear. And Gerard was regenerating before Hoffnung was actually damaged. Is probably due to Momo though. She was conscious before Kenpachi arrived.
     
  26. Revan Reborn Redeemed

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    He doesn't need fear to doubt.
     
  27. Divell King of Trolls

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    But fear is what powers Gerard.
     
  28. AllAboveOne ThatOneGuy

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    Why are you all assuming that Ishida needs to tanks his enemy's attacks ?
    He can just cut his arms or legs and reverse the damage.
     
  29. Divell King of Trolls

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    You assuming Yamamoto won't follow up?
     

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