Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shazam, Nov 8, 2019.
How does Tobirama's character view Minato's character?
He obviously knows Minato is fodder who’s not strong, fast, or impressive at all .
He would definitely date him if at all possible.
He spends the whole war impressed or amused by Minato and telling him how great he is or how silly he thinks is and how he wants to laugh at Minato's jutsu names but it's a serious situation.
Its pretty cute.
Quite a bit I’d say. Goes out of his way to compliment him three times in the battle.
Compliments don’t equate to respect entirely, but note the fact he repeatedly belittled his older brother who was a walking god so I don’t know how you even gauge who he respects, Madara is a for sure though.
He goes out of his way to cuck to him at every juncture
So he either passive aggressively hates Minato for outdoing him in every way, or has mad respect for the man for surpassing him
Tobirama went out of his way to praise Minato's abilities as a shinobi. He thought Minato, personality wise was a bit goofy, but as a shinobi he full of admiration, even pointing out Minato saved the shinobi alliance twice.
Minato was portrayed as overall better than Tobirama.
Tobirama would've definitely been Minato's best man at his wedding. He appreciates him so much that he might've even changed his opinion on the Uchiha if Minato said otherwise.
The Tobirama Drama series continues...
Tobirama thinks Minato is goofy and teases him for it all the time
I think he does respect Minato in terms of abilities, but he does not think Minato was eligible for Hokage since Minato appears to be too stubborn for that role
It seems like Tobirama does respect Minato's abilities, but as a person and as a hokage, he has no respect for him whatsoever.
Straight up fanfic. Rofl.
What manga are you reading?
Did you expect anything different?
he is not reading anything
He is making fun of him all the time. Not something you do to someone you met an hour ago unless you have little to no respect for him..
Why would he respect Minato? Yondaime (like Sandaime Godaime, Rokudaime and Nanadaime) followed Shodaime/Sandaime's calamitous policies.
Tobirama worked to Make Konoha Great Again (after the passage of Shodaime), everything was sabotaged by Saru and his succesors (his real heir Danzo was unfortunately quickly killed by Kishimoto).
Tobirama's favorite Kages:
2-Hashirama (cuz he is his brother. That's all)
3-Tsunade (cuz she is his little niece. That's all)
4-Naruto (He got along well with him during the war but if he knew his politics (And he forgave a criminal Uchiha and let him reproduce)).
5-Kakashi (He is representative of a dying political system).
6-Hiruzen (The disciple who betrayed him and his heritage (why Danzo hates Hiruzen ? because not only did he become Hokage in his place but he betrayed Tobirama))
7-Minato (Should be between Naruto and Kakashi but he also troll Tobirama with FTG and speed. I think Tobirama secretly hates him for that (but not as much he hates the typical Uchiha)).
they never met each other
It’s pretty clear that Tobi respects Minato who kept saving everyone when Tobi couldn’t and Tobi kept asking Minato to do more. Tobi treats him like Hashi pretty much, you’d have to not pay attention to the manga to think otherwise
it's really should be the other way around.
Minato should be the one hating Tobirama since he lost his original jutsu
in order for Tobirama to be retconned and be useful...
talk about the death of creativity...
Yes exactly. It really is pretty clear Tobirama places Minato on a higher level than himself. He calls him a saviour twice and wants him to do things, he cannot do.
Tobirama has the better reflexes and is smarter, but Minato is portrayed overall as the superior shinobi.
ah yes he would. Tobirama talks shit to everyone including his brother whom he holds in high regard.
He the whole hyping the fourth and being proud of . That's the opposite of no reapect.
The one time he actually makes fun of Minato he is doing it about Naruto's actions and still not only thinks Naruto will be Kage but a better one than Hashirama even though he says the same insult at Naruto.
So obviously his talking shit doesn't outweigh weather he thinks someone would be a good Kage.
So not that that particular red herring is out of the way, please provide a source for
Then I guess you have a different definition for respect
Because I don't think he respects Hashirama as anything more than a brother or someone who is stronger either
The way he treats Hashirama in front of others, including other Kage during the first Gokage Summit tells me Tobirama won't compromise with Hashirama and will always get his own way in (even in the times when Hashi was the Hokage)
Does he like Hashirama? Sure, he loves him as a brother
Does he acknowledge Hashi's power and achievements? Sure
But does he see Hashirama as an authority, or at least as someone equal in terms of politics, intellect, wisdom, reliability? That part is what has not been reflected in the manga, actually the contrary has been showed again and again
And Minato's case is very similar to this
Doesn't really matter what you say, reading characters is a matter of subjective opinion.
Nothing you just said addresses why you made this up
And this right here is the root of all your Minato arguments and why things like Tobirama saying Minato's too stubborn or B couldn't control his power or Minato cant use seals or A4 not having KI just appear out of nowhere for you as dead certainties even though they dont come from the manga or DB.
To you your subjective opinion >>>>>>> what actually happens in the story and why, it seem.
You don't need a direct statement of Tobirama saying Minato does not deserve to be a Hokage.
All you need is to understand Tobirama's rationally based character that doesn't like optimists, dreamers and pacifists in the leading role of his village.
And Minato falls under all of these.
You have yet to show any proof or logic leading to the conclusion of Tobirama respecting Minato for more than his abilities.
You do. Especially when you make up extremely specific shit like saying Tobirama though he was too stubborn.
And then move the goal post repeatedly while never addressing your own actual words.
Are you confusing Tobirama with Danzo? They're not actually the same person rofl.
He says exactly none of those things anywhere and you just gave a description of Naruto who he obviously thinks of as Hokage Material and says as much.
So we have direct proof that those things aren't a reason for thim to think of someone as not being Hokage Material.
I dont have to, remember?
YOU, once again, made some shit up about Minato. Specific shit too.
So it's your job to prove this thing you made up was true.
You literally won't address the original words you said which tells me you cant.
You cant show where Tobirama says any of the shit you said he thinks.
The last goalpost shift made you describe a person Tobirama thinks will be a good Hokage and thus was backward as fuck.
Tobirama spends the whole fight hyping him repeatedly as I have shown and considers him a world saving dude who is better than Tobirama at Tobirama's own specialties.
And your biased ass thought process was " Well he thinks Minato's jutsu names are silly so that means he doesn't think of Minato as worthy to be a Kage, let's make up a bunch of shit to project my hatred of Minato from Tobirama now, no one will notice!"
He probably thinks that Mjnato is still a child since grown man dont have blonde hair.
He compares Minato to Naruto
And Naruto is someone who he says is like his brother, aka someone who is shit at being Hokage and needs an advisor (who was Tobirama) to make the decisions for him
That's all there is to it. No need to cherrypick and ask for a substance for each claim I make when it's as clear as day what I am pointing at