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Doflamingo vs non-TOP Commanders

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by GilDLax, Sep 10, 2018.

  1. GilDLax Well-Known Member

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    Match 1: Burgess and Van Auger

    Match 2: Daifuku and Oven

    Match 3: Perospero

    Match 4: how many Division Commanders of WB (Marco, Ace, Jozu, Vista, Thatch not counted) can DD take on at the same time?
     
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  2. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Burguess is a blant moron. I see him falling to the parasite trap.

    Oven is good as a tank , daifuku seem's strong enough to face sanji.

    But DD can fly tho. Daifuku will give him some difficulty but not sure if the Jinn is strong enough to resist his strings.

    Perosperos jelly is strong. But wonder if cutting attack can easily be stoped by his jelly like luffy's punch.

    Did we ever see someone trying to cut his candy wall in WCI ?
     
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    Daifuku and oven atleast beat him, they both have counters to parasite (genie and heating up the string).
     
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    He destroys Burgess and Auger as Auger is basically featless and even if we scale his few pre feats he is nowhere close to Mingo. Burgess only can compete a bit in strenght. In other areas he goes down.


    Daifucks Genie is not giving Doffy any trouble featswise and Oven was not too impressive either, being blitzed by Sanji of all people and Capone dishonoring him. Doffy mid-high diff.

    Perospero honestly has nothing speaking for him. Mingos awakening will kill him fairly quick. Mid diff at most.



    Marco can solo Doffy. Jozu and Vista could aswell if there wouldn't be the parasite feat so give either of them Ace to clearly ensure the victory of medium-high diff.
     
  5. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Match 1-3 are clear wins for Doffy ranging from low to higher end of mid diff.

    Hard to say for match 4 because of that pesky parasite feat. Jozu by all means should at least be as strong as Dressrosa G4 Luffy, but he did fall victim to parasite...

    Marco would solo him for certain, due to the parasite feat he would technically win against Jozu or Vista if he fights them 1v1, but them with another capable commander on top and DD would lose for sure. I don't think he could take any of the significant WB commanders in a 1v2 match.
     
  7. GilDLax Well-Known Member

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    I said ''not counted''...the thread is vs NON-top commanders
     
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    Who knows, the other commanders barely have any feats.
     
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    Oh top commanders not counted he probably solos them easily with awakening/parasite combo. No one is worth a damn below Ace (i consider him the weakest of the top commanders).
     
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    How does a genie stop Doffy from parasiting Daifuck's body? I highly doubt heat will break Parasite when part of Doffy's attacks include lighting his sting on fire in Overheat.
     
  11. GilDLax Well-Known Member

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    DD took Sanji's flame kick casually and smiling maniacly without even using CoAHardening yet you think some heat would badly affect him?
     
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    Match 1 - Doffy wins High diff or even Mid

    Match 2 - Doffy wins High diff

    Match 3 - Doffy wins High diff

    There is nothing on the opponents side of DD that he cannot counter and he have better feats among those characters.

    is the Match 2, against Daifuku and Oven at the same time?
     
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    Van Auger's combat level is unknown
    Daifuku and Oven is essentially Zoro and Sanji teaming up against Doflamingo, I'd still probably give it to Doflamingo.
    Perospero beats him, he's not a member of the crew so he's not up for a top commander role, but he's stronger than Snack and Smoothie, if not Cracker and Katakuri. He's a strong physical combatant who can easily swat aside someone akin to sanji leveled (pedro). He took a point blank explosion which had the element that is his weakness (fire to destroy his candy armor), his devil fruit skill is the best we've seen in the crew outside of maybe big mom, and his scale of devil fruit is second to big mom and superior to that of katakuri. Suffice to say Perospero wins.

    The strongest whitebeard commanders outside of those seem to be Blamenco and Atmos I'd say, with the fishman guy and the guy who fought moriah being probably the weakest and some other standouts being Fossa and Haruta. Also Blenheim is near the bottom as well.

    Atmos is probably akin to Sanji leveled and Blamenco was absolutely the most impressive non top commander there was, doing multiple times the output of the others. But yeah, Blamenco and Atmos going at Doflamingo should be similar to Daifuku and Oven, so maybe add Haruta or Fossa and it should give them the win.
     
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    Match ups and statistics are nice till you get punched in the face.

    On a serious note, van auger doesn't have any feats so it's a moot point and can't even be power scaled since we don't know who the top members are except blackbeard and shiryuu.

    Perospero has multiple times that can get Doflamingo. Perospero had impressive cqc that should be able to hang with Doflamingo, his devil fruit scale of attacks is bigger, he has arguably superior devil fruit mastery than doflamingo (if not comparable), perospero has candy armor to defend him from attacks, and perospero has an assortment of attacks like an attack that completely immobilizes the opponent and slowly turns them into candy for him to eat (or he can just kill him instead of being sadistic)
     
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    perospero has
    1) Bigger scale devil fruit attacks
    2) Candy armor that will help against anything but parasite
    3) Superior devil fruit mastery or at worst equal
    4) Arguably comparable physics to doflamingo as far as combat (maybe not tanking but he has candy armor for that)
    5) An ability that is an instant win for him where he turns the other person into candy.
     
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    Luffy's punch only got through it cuz of fire.
    Perospero also has strong cqc, large scale attacks, candy armor, arguably the most skill of any devil fruit user in the crew, and the hax of turning people into candy. And he hasn't even had his big fight yet so he's obviously going to have more.

    Perospero is at least stronger than snack and smoothie, smoothie was literally subordinate to him and at best he held equal power if not superior power in the forces than katakuri, he's just not a crew member so he's not up for a sweet commander, but he's essentially the first mate.
     
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    1. Doflamingo turned the whole town into strings.
    2. Candy armor that barely saved his life against dynamite, losing an arm in the process.
    3. Doflamingo has awakening, nothing is shown or stated about Pero to be anywhere close to it.
    4. Nope Doffy have the superior feats in the physical department by far.
    5. Which can be broken just like Doffy broke out of Kuzans ice.
     
  19. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Like casually blocking diable jambe.
     
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    Or enduring a whole G4 round or fighting for almost the whole time from PH to the climax of Dressrosa.
     
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    1) No he didn't and birdcage is a specific technique/outlier ability.
    2) You say dynamite like it was enough to blow up a cave, that explosion was huge + was fire based, which completely removes counters Perospero's candy armor, the attack killed Sanji leveled Pedro and sent Big Mom flying.
    3) Perospero potentially has awakening as well, not that it matters, Luffy still beat Doflamingo even though he didn't have awakening, but Perospero is old and experienced enough where he should easily have it
    4) Nope, but Doflamingo's abilities also are more mage based than cqc based anyway while doflamingo is a close range fighter
    5) Nope, doflamingo was simply covered in some ice, perospero's ability literally turns you into candy.

    Ultimately Perospero has comparable feats at least and he hasn't even had a proper fight.
     
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    1.
    Spoiler:

    :catskully


    2. If you compare 2 characters it's not a fair comparison if you make up excuses for one like Peros fire/heat weakness it is still his weakness. We're also comparing Doffy's physical feats with Pero's without making excuses for Doffy that he had his organs fried by Gamma Knife but even with that he takes a dump on Pero.

    3. Argument was about DF mastery which if you claim "potentially" is not a solid argument for Pero to be above Mingo in that specific area. It is a possibility but we don't have info on that so we fo with what was shown. In fact Mingo is far ahead in mastery consisting of stitching up his organs, using strings to attach to clouds and fly that way, controlling multiple people with parasite, turning surroundings into strings with awakening literally shits on Pero.

    4. Doflamingo's abilities are mage based and CQC close range fighter? No idea what you talk about but Mingo's physical feats from a previous arc shit on everything Pero has shown in WCI.

    5. It can only turn you into candy if you can't break out of it. Doflamingo was almost frozen to the core but broke out of it before it was too late. Seeing as Pero needs even more time to turn you completely into candy than Kuzan needs to freeze you completely, Mingo's ability to break out of this kind of move gives him a really good advantage.
     
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    He clears. If you don't include the top five commanders of the Whitebeard Pirates then I daresay he solos them all. The guy is Yonko Commander level himself, below people like Cracker, but probably stronger than people like Ace and Snack.
     
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    1) Oh lol, so 4 buildings = a town now? LOL, sorry, Perospero's attacks are bigger.

    2) It's a moot point, it's like arguing that Luffy is stronger than Enel when they fought when he wasn't, he was just the weakness. If Doflamingo tried to cut or punch Perospero, the candy armor would hold up better than an equal attack that is fire based. It's pretty simple actually. The only reason Doflamingo was able to fight after getting his organs fried is cuz he stitched his organs together, the damage wasn't the issue as much as the fact that with his organs fried, his body couldn't function and thus he couldn't move. His specific devil fruit being a good match for that situation is what kept him in the fight. To compare it to a bad match up for Perospero and him still being in the fight is a bad comparison outright.

    3) Cracker has specifically said his biscuit soldiers are strong cuz of the craftsmanship of them. Perospero has shown superior craftsmanship and devil fruit mastery with stuff like the escalator, recreating CC's huge lab in candy form, creating the giant slime, and other complex things he's created. No, stitching up his organs isn't superior mastery, Perospero's mastery feats are superior, doflamingo just had a devil fruit that was effective to heal himself. Attaching strings to clouds to spider-man around isn't an impressive craftsmanship or mastery feat. Parasite is literally a part of his ability. Also we have no evidence that Perospero doesn't have awakening so the awakening feat is moot.

    4) Perospero's are mage based, did I say cqc? Doflamingo is a close ranged fighter while perospero is an aokiji style nuke character and devil fruit skill. Albeit he can still cqc shit on someone on sanji's level.

    5) Doflamingo wasn't frozen to the core, he was artificially covered with a layer of ice and broke out, jozu was frozen to the core because aokiji actively went about doing it and physically touched jozu, with doflamingo, he was just stopping him with an ice attack from a small distance. If he was frozen to the core, he'd have died or at least lost function of his body. What happened is that he was covered in ice then he broke out by pushing and cracking the ice around him with his devil fruit. They are completely different things, doflamingo just pushed off some ice, doflamingo himself would be turning into candy gradually which means he loses function of his body, and string unlike with gamma knife won't help him. Ultimately it's a one hit, just a matter of hitting him with it, the same can be said with parasite potentially though. Doflamingo can't break out of being turned to candy.
     
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    1. Why iam not surprised that you can't even count how many strings there are on that panel :catskully

    Anyway:

    Spoiler:



    And:
    Spoiler:



    Enjoy the sight.

    2. What's your point? It's still Pero's weakness that goes against him lol

    3. Doflamingo literally has the mastery to the point of stitching up his organs and awakening which Pero doesn't have. Doffy's DF mastery is beyond Pero.

    4. Doesn't change that Doffy has the superior physical feats.

    5. You are aware that the sugar layer Pero creates crystallizes and becomes basically no different from ice just that he keeps on adding layers that flow into the openings of the body turning them into candy from inside aswell but at a much slower rate? Pero isn't defeating Doffy that way if he latter handled stronger, harder layers easily before.
     
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    Are you fucking kidding me?

    1) How many strings? It's fucking 4-5 buildings, you said it was a whole town, that's a fucking lie.

    2) And so, an attack of similar power wouldn't do that, ie doflamingo's attacks. Enel isn't weaker just cuz Luffy exists.

    3) That's not "mastery", awakening is, but not the stitching the organs. Also "perospero doesn't have it" is a fucking bullshit thing, perospero hasn't fought, katakuri didn't use awakening till his big fight, perospero is an unknown, but he's more likely to have it than not, perospero never got his proper fight, only shitting on fodder like brook and stomping pedro.

    4) What's your evidence for that? Perospero has never showed any limits for his cqc, simply that he shat on pedro who is sanji leveled with his cqc. There is nothing showing doflamingo is physically stronger, but there is still showing perospero's mastery, craftsmanship, and scale of attack are bigger than doflamingo's.

    5) No, he turns the person to candy and they slowly fully turn into it unless fire is brought into the equation. Lol at trying to bullshit by saying it's like ice.


    You're making bullshit up and that's retarded. Anyway what's your king kong gun argument? Cracker is arguably weaker than cracker and his individual biscuit soldiers have comparable strength to doflamingo.
     
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    1. Doflamingo's character wins that match up because his character isleagues superior to Burgess.

    2. There are good arguments for both of those teams winning that match up.

    3. Doflamingo's character wins that match up because his character is superior in every aspect. :p

    4. Several.
     
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    1. So you can't count after all :catskully

    2. Pero's own weakness stays Pero's own weakness

    3. Doflamingo with DF mastery and awakening of said DF >>> Pero's DF mastery without awakening. You do tge math... Oh look point 1 :bookerskully

    4. My evidence is that Doflamingo has the feats abd the Pedo not. Simple.

    5. What happens when sugar becomes solid from it's liquid form?
    Well if you're overchallenged with 1 you won't pass this either. Doffy breaks out of it.
     
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    He clears.
    He's stronger than pre Mera sabo who mid diffed Burgess at worst.
    He can toy with oven and daifuku with his parasite and awakening, while he floats. Can take the ginie easily in the air.
    He beat Perospero, overheat cuts his candy easily as Amanda managed to do so. Then parasite, awakening, flight and he's vastly superior physically.

    He solos the rest of WB commanders. The only commanders I wouldn't give doffy the win over are Marco and Jozu(very arguable). He beats ace and vista without a doubt imo.
     
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    1) It's 4 buildings confirmed and maybe some ground, 4 buildings a town does not make.

    2) And Doflamingo doesn't have it, so it's a moot argument

    3) Prove Perospero doesn't have awakening, but if we compare their skill without it, Perospero clearly has more skill

    4) Perospero shat on Sanji, which is around the best Doflamingo has outside of fighting g2 and g3 luffy well. Also a lack of feat doesn't make perospero weak anyway.

    5) He is the candy, he's not being covered in it.
     
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