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Donald Trump vows 'severe punishment' if Saudi Arabia murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi

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    Donald Trump vows 'severe punishment' if Saudi Arabia murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi
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    13 October 2018 • 3:34pm





    Donald Trump has vowed “severe punishment” for Saudi Arabia if it is proven that the kingdom was responsible for murdering Jamal Khashoggi, the missing journalist.

    The US president said he was “very upset and angry” about the case and indicated that he was not fully convinced by the Saudis’ repeated claims of innocence.

    “Could it be them? Yes,” he said. “In the not too distant future I think we’ll know an answer,” Trump told CBS News in an a "60 Minutes" interview that will air on Sunday. “We're going to get to the bottom of it and there will be severe punishment.”

    Mr Khashoggi, who would have turned 60 on Saturday, .

    Turkish officials claim to have tapes of Saudi operatives torturing and murdering Mr Khashoggi, possibly recorded by the journalist’s own Apple Watch. Saudi Arabia has vehemently denied involvement in the journalists’ disappearance.

    Jamal Khashoggi has not been since October 2 Credit: AP Photo/Hasan Jamali, File

    While Mr Trump said he would punish Saudi Arabia, he said he would not cancel arms sales to the kingdom in response, as a bipartisan group of US senators have demanded. “I don't want to hurt jobs,” he said.

    Mr Trump, who has previously referred to journalists as “enemies of the people”, said it was “really terrible and disgusting” that a journalist had been targeted.

    Sources close to the royal court said the inner circle of Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi crown prince, was shocked at the speed and intensity at which global anger over Mr Khashoggi’s disappearance turned towards Saudi Arabia.

    After eleven days of issuing blanket denials of responsibility but offering little evidence of its innocence, the Saudi government is now trying to chart a more proactive course to deal with the fallout while also trying to shield Crown Prince Mohammed’s own reputation.

    The crown prince has summoned home the Saudi ambassador in Washington, his younger brother Prince Khalid bin Salman, a former fighter pilot, for consultations on how to appease both the White House and Congress.

    He also dispatched a team of Saudi officials to Ankara to meet with the Turkish government as part of a newly-formed “joint working group” to look into what happened to Mr Khashoggi.

    The Saudi government is pointing to the joint group as evidence it is taking the situation seriously and hopes that the appearance of an investigative process will buy some time in the short term.

    In a statement on Saturday, Prince Abdulaziz bin Saud, the Saudi interior minister, “praised the cooperation with the brothers in Turkey through the Joint Investigation Commission and other official channels”.

    His statement, which also denounced the “lies and baseless allegations” against the kingdom, was the first public comment by a Saudi minister since the crisis began on October 2.


    The royal court is trying to insulate Mohammed bin Salman from criticism Credit: FAYEZ NURELDINE/AFP/Getty Images

    A theory discussed in pro-Saudi circles is that Riyadh will try to get the Turks to agree to a joint statement explaining Mr Khashoggi’s death in a way that causes minimal damage to Crown Prince Mohammed.

    One possibility is to say Mr Khashoggi died of a heart attack inside the consulate and his body was hidden by panicked diplomatic staff.

    It is not clear that Turkey could agree to a sanitised version of events, given that Turkish officials have leaked lurid claims to the press of Saudi spies and soldiers allegedly murdering Mr Khashoggi.

    But Turkey has not made any official allegations nor presented any public evidence, leaving some diplomatic room for a compromise. Ties between Turkey and Saudi Arabia have been strained in recent years but neither regional power wants a complete breakdown in relations and a joint statement could offer a way out.

    If Turkey refuses to go along and presents proof that Mr Khashoggi was murdered, the Saudi government may try to blame the killing on rogue elements of the security services and say Crown Prince Mohammed did not know of their plans. Turkish officials told Middle East Eye they suspected Saudi Arabia may take this course.

    “It is not a feasible option, but at present, it looks like it's the only option and one that might head off the Senate's pursuit of the Global Magnitsky Act,” Dr Neil Quilliam, senior research fellow at Chatham House.


    Saudi Arabia has faced global anger over Mr Khashoggi's disappearance Credit: JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images

    US senators of both parties have banded together to trigger an investigation under the Global Magnitsky Act, a US law named after a Russian accountant murdered by the Kremlin. The law forces the White House to investigate suspected kidnappings and killings by foreign governments and to consider sanctions.

    The senators have said the probe should look at whether the “highest ranking officials in the government of Saudi Arabia” were involved in Mr Khashoggi’s death.

    Blaming the security services comes with its own risks. Turkey may demand Saudi Arabia hand over the alleged killers for prosecution, potentially causing a backlash for Crown Prince Mohammed at home.

    The prince would also be loath to say publicly that he was not fully in charge of the Saudi military. “He would face the question: does this guy have control over his own security forces? That in some ways is a worse question for MBS to face,” said Richard Lebaron, non-resident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

    For now, the government looks set to hunker down and try to get through the Riyadh summit, scheduled for October 23. They will have been heartened to see that Christine Lagarde, the head of the IMF, said she still planned to attend the summit even though she was “horrified” by reports of Mr Khashoggi’s death.

     
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    Didn't he say a day ago that there was to much jobs or many at stake to really do something about it? That's a quick change of tune. Almost as if he's a populist who just says what he thinks his voters want to hear.
     
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    Yeah this can be merged into the main thread.
     
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    He's still saying that if you read more than just the title:

    "While Mr Trump said he would punish Saudi Arabia, he said he would not cancel arms sales to the kingdom in response, as a bipartisan group of US senators have demanded. “I don't want to hurt jobs,” he said. "
     
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    See, that is one of the sanctions that should be put on Saudi Arabia.
     
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    It would be a start to just stop supporting them in Yemen.
     
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    Well, then the definitely don't need any more guns, tanks, ships, robots, drones, or jets.
     
  8. wibisana still newbie

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    If US didnt do shit after 911
    Why would this change anything
     
  9. Chelydra Devour them all.

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    What's he gonna do? Stop buying oil? Perhaps just a few harsh statements and business as usual? The latter is more likely.
     
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    Which one is the "main thread" in your opinion? I haven't been following this story and don't see a natural candidate on the first page...
     
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    Saudis Threaten Global Economic Repercussions if Punished for 'Murdered' Journalist

    U.S. President Donald Trump said Saturday that there would be 'severe punishment' for Saudi Arabia if it turns out that missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul


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    Oct 14, 2018 5:34 PM


    In this May 21, 2017 photo, Saudi King Salman, U.S. First Lady Melania Trump and President Donald Trump, visit a new Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology, in Riyadh, Saudi ArabiaSaudi Press Agency via AP
    Saudi Arabia said on Sunday it would retaliate to possible economic sanctions taken by other states over the case of Jamal Khashoggi, the state news agency SPA reported quoting an official source.

    The kingdom will respond to any measure against it with bigger measures, the source said, adding: "The Saudi economy has vital and influential roles for the global economy."

    "The Kingdom affirms its total rejection of any threats and attempts to undermine it, whether by threatening to impose economic sanctions, using political pressures, or repeating false accusations..." the official Saudi Press Agency quoted an unnamed government source as saying.
    "The Kingdom also affirms that if it receives any action, it will respond with greater action, and that the Kingdom's economy has an influential and vital role in the global economy..." the source added without elaborating.
    Saudi Arabia has been under pressure since a prominent critic of Riyadh and a U.S. resident, disappeared on October 2 after visiting the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.


    Twenty-two U.S. senators last Wednesday forced a of whether human rights sanctions should be imposed over the disappearance of Khashoggi.

    In a letter, the senators said they had triggered a provision of the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act requiring the president to determine whether a foreign person is responsible for a gross human rights violation.

    The Global Magnitsky Act requires a report within 120 days of the letter with a decision on the imposition of sanctions on anyone deemed responsible for a serious rights violation such as torture, prolonged detention without trial or extrajudicial killing of someone exercising freedom of expression.



    Trump vows "severe punishment" if it's confirmed Saudi Arabia behind disappearance of journalist60 Minutes
    said in a CBS interview on Saturday that there would be "severe punishment" for Saudi Arabia if it turns out that missing Saudi journalist Khashoggi was killed in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

    Asked whether Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman gave an order to kill him, Trump said "nobody knows yet, but we'll probably be able to find out." Trump added in excerpts of the "60 Minutes" interview that will air on Sunday "we would be very upset and angry if that were the case".

    "We're going to get to the bottom of it and there will be severe punishment," Trump said.

    Trump has not described what punishment Saudi Arabia might face. He has indicated Washington does not want to harm close defence ties, saying the United States would be punishing itself if it halted sales of military equipment to Riyadh.
    The threat caused the stock market of the world's biggest oil exporter to lose as much as $33 billion of its value on Sunday in one of the first signs of the economic pain that Riyadh could suffer over the affair.

    The Saudi equities index plunged as much as 7 percent in its biggest drop since December 2014, when oil prices were crashing. It later recovered partially to stand 5.0 percent lower shortly before the close.

    Turkey believes Khashoggi was deliberately killed in the consulate and his body removed. Riyadh has rejected those claims.

    A senior member of Saudi Arabia's ruling family, Prince Khaled al-Faisal, has met Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan to discuss Khashoggi's disappearance, two sources with knowledge of the matter told Reuters without providing details of the talks.

    On Friday, a source with links to the prince's family said Prince Khaled, who is the governor of Mecca, had been sent to Turkey in his capacity as special adviser to King Salman.

    INVESTMENT CONFERENCE
    Foreign capital is key to Saudi Arabia's plans to diversify its economy beyond oil and cut a 12.9 percent jobless rate among its citizens.

    But in response to Khashoggi's disappearance, media firms and some technology executives have pulled out of a major Riyadh investment conference scheduled for next week.

    "This is happening at a time when Saudi Arabia is preparing for a big investment event and they don’t need people suspending or pulling out investments," said Nadi Barghouti, head of asset management at Emirates Investment Bank in Dubai.

    U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Wall Street bankers will show up at an elite Saudi investment conference this month despite a growing exodus of top media companies and business leaders after the disappearance of a Saudi journalist.

    Mnuchin's plan to attend the high-profile Future Investment Initiative conference in Riyadh follows U.S. President Donald Trump's comments that he saw no reason to block SaudiArabian investments in the United States despite concern over the welfare of Jamal Khashoggi.

    "I am planning on going at this point. If more information comes out and changes, we can look at that, but I am planning on going," Mnuchin said in an interview with CNBC on Friday.

    CNN, the Financial Times, the New York Times, CNBC and Bloomberg, as well as reporters and editors from the Economist, said they were no longer participating in the conference, which relies heavily on journalists to moderate top sessions.

    CNBC and Bloomberg, along with Fox Business Network, were among media partners with a big role at the event, which begins on Oct. 23.

    GLOBAL REACTION
    French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday became the latest ally to demand answers from Saudi Arabia on the fate of veteran Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, last seen in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul more than a week ago.

    France had so far been guarded in its reaction to the disappearance; Paris and Riyadh enjoy close diplomatic ties and commercial relations spanning energy, finance and arms.

    "I'm waiting for the truth and complete clarity to be established ", Macron said in an interview with France 24 television.

    British billionaire Richard Branson said on Thursday that his Virgin Group would suspend its discussions with Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund over a planned $1 billion investment in the group's space ventures.

    Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Thursday that the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi was extremely troubling and went against the spirit of the reforms advocated by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

    Britain's main opposition Labour Party arms to Saudi Arabia if it was in government, its foreign policy spokeswoman said on Sunday.


     
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    Kinda suprised that this is making so much waves. Let's see how long it lasts.
     
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    If they did in fact kill him, it sure was worth it.

    I....don't really want that to happen because then I'd be afraid it could become the next spawning point for ISIS. I mean it's the place where ISIS' hardline ideology derives from is it not ?
     
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    @Son of Goku

    In your opinion, what makes Iran better than Saudi Arabia?
     
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    Better in what sense?
     
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    You're clearly rooting for Iran against Saudi Arabia given the tone of your threads.

    Your Iran threads typically portray them as the victim, whereas your Saudi threads portray them as villains.
     
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    Even as Sunni (born Sunni) Iran in surface is way better than KSA (ignoring sunni has to support Arabs and sunni suppose to say Shia arent muslim)

    They got independendlce from Caliph (Ottoman) from the help of Infidels
    Continue to support of western
    And After recent atrocity in Yemen who wouldnt change their heart tbh

    While Iran is the 1st "muslim" country to have revolution.
    And continue to be western punchbag over the years
    Their commercial airplane got shotdown by US
    They become blacksheep for Qaddafi terror attack on Passenger plane

    Who is good guy again?
     
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    Also Hezbollah keep fighting on Israel while KSA is chilling with enemy
     
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    I don't like either. Both countries are theocracies with deplorable records on human rights. Sometimes, I think it'd be nice to let the two countries go to war with one another and have an all out war of attrition, but also probably not actually a good thing. :ano
     
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    I feel like I was misled on this story. The reporter isn't even an American.
     
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    You just answered your own question lol
     
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    Trump suggests 'rogue killers' may be involved in disappearance of journalist Khashoggi


    Right. Rogue killers inside the Saudi embassy.
    He denied it very strongly, totally unexpected.
     
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    All this time the EU and China try their hardest to reason with Trump on massive issues when all they should have done was denying very strongly to have trade surplusses with the US :cat
     
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    Saudi Arabia is an enabler to American Imperialism, while Iran is an obstacle to it. As someone who is opposed to the idea of imperialism and one country dominating and bullying others in the world, I favor those countries who oppose it rather than submit to it or support it.

    But even by its own Saudi Arabia has had a much more harmful influence in the region and the world than Iran. The spreading of Wahabism and the support for radicial Jihadists over decades dwarfs whatever Iran is guilty of. And pretty much the only people who are seriously contesting that assessment, outside the Sunni world, are right-wing Israelis and right-wing Americans, whose interests are aligned with SA.



    Aside from that, Iran is clearly more interesting historically, much richer culturally and has more to offer to the world in general than Saudi Arabia does. But that has nothing to do with how I view both of them in terms of geo-politics.

    They are the victim of US foreign policy and the Saudis are its beneficiaries. So yes, that's how I portray it.
    Also, I'm posting in an American forum, with mostly mainstream views. I keep tabs on US media and news coverage and try to counter the biases and misconceptions as I preceive them. If this was a very different forum, where most people would be very critical of the US/WEST/SA/Israel, my posts woud look very different as well. Assuming I would even be posting here.
    And likewise, if the US and/or its media would start getting friendly with Iran and Russia and instead started vilifying Saudi Arabia and Israel, my threads would either change a lot and/or go down quite a bit in number.
    As I've said many times before, mostly in debates with Mael, I don't like 'preaching to the choir' and I don't like to 'pile jump'.

    Example: Back when Mega and other Israelis were still active, and the forum was much more pro-Israeli, my monthly Israel thread count was way higher too. The need for these threads seems to have gone down.
     
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    Technically the forum is either Canadian (where @Tazmo lives) or German (where the servers are located). :edu

    But I know what you mean. Most posters are probably from the U.S. because the forum is in English and America is the largest English-speaking country.
     
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    A little bit extra to make my point:



    And that was a year before Trump.
     
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    To be honest Iran always seemed to me like the less extremist place (government aside), and it's a shame that because of the regime we (Israel) had to ally ourselves with fucking Saudi Arabia just because they're enemies.
     
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