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Dragon Ball Super Feats #4

Discussion in 'Meta-Battledome' started by MusubiKazesaru, Dec 25, 2017.

  1. Sigismund

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    It is being released by Jump J Books, the light novel / Novel Division of Shonen Jump, so unless it directly contradicts events, it should be Canon
     
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    I found the raw page with the SSJ Broly statement.

    So after Frieza got the shit beaten out of him, the author says that Broly didn't continue any further since he likely sensed there was no power left in Frieza to resist any longer.
    After Broly flies away, Frieza says his "What a magnificent power level.." line (which is present in the movie as well), and then it's the author that continues by saying "Without a doubt, there's no one who can beat this Broly. After the beating he received, that much he could tell." referring to Frieza's thoughts.
     
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  3. Sigismund

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    So if that's true, unless it's contradicted by the Movie, SSJ Broly > FP Jiren and maybe MUI Goku and Freeza sensed both
     
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    Don't we go by actual statements to give validity or not to side works? Like we had to discuss and go over tons of stuff to verify that DBS was canon and not non-canon side work like GT, same again with the manga version, comparing the anime vs manga vs film version of Battle of the Gods, RoF, etc...Is there anything specifically said about the novel? Because even if its canon, also, wouldn't the movie > still be the primary source since that's the version of the story Toriyama is actually heading?
     
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    The movie would still be primary canon for sure and I do agree with you overall but this case is a bit of a mixed bag as I hear rumors about Toriyama assisting him in the novel but as far as his involvement is concerned, we know he provided the drawings. Not sure if he did anything more.

    Definitely wouldn't consider it canon for the time being. We need more information regarding the content and its creation.
     
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    Going by that statement it is false. Since Whis could beat Broly. So the narrator was clearly mistaking.

    Comparing Jiren with Broly is difficult. Because LB Jiren only exists in the anime, while Toriyama no doubt didnt take that in consideration. For now, till we get an anime retelling, scaling should be like this IMO:

    ssj Blue Gogeta>>Lssj Broly>/=Enraged MUI Goku> LB Jiren~MUI Goku=ssj Gogeta>ssj Broly>/=FP Jiren>>Everyone else
     
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    :confusedjr
     
  8. The Runner

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    I finally saw the movie in IMAX today. A few things.

    Spoiler:

    >Broly was surprisingly keeping up with SSJBlue Goku even before his SSJ powerup, but he was on the losing side.

    >Vegeta’s hair turned green for a split second when he was powering up. Same shit with Goku but with Green Ki instead. This could imply that Broly’s iconic LSSJ transformation is just a halfway point to an even greater transformation

    >Broly can’t control his power. He just hulks out throughout the majority of his fight and everybody notes that he’s got some training to do to gain control. Goku even offers to train him as a sparring partner, which was foreshadowed by Freeza claiming that Broly sparring with Broly hardly counted as training at all.

    >This might be completely wrong, but I couldn’t help but interpret the whole pocket dimension scene as SSJ Broly and SSJ Gogeta accidentally creating the pocket dimension during their beam struggle. Even Gogeta is fucking confused by what just happens and they only get out by destroying it using their Ki.

    >Broly is definitely gonna get fucking laid. Chirai was basically grabbing his fucking dick by the way she touched his fur belt :hestonpls:kobeha
     
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    The green hair was just animators going all out one the animation
     
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    Cheelai showed Broly her bra in the movie

    Of course he’s gonna get some
     
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    He gonna breed her :carlton
     
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    Now thats a feat.
     
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    That would be broly after like an hour of battling frieza,tho.
    Movie made sure to make broly in a way he is always "adapting" to his oponnent movies and growing stronger.
     
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    Basically base broly could face off base vegeta and slowly adapted to his super forms.
     
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    "Battling"
    In about the same way my Lazy ass could battle Mike Tyson in his prime, if extended for an hour, then sure, thats battling

    I mean Freeza said that fighting against far weaker people wouldn't help Broly, and Freeza couldn't really fight back. Broly probably grew a little, like punching a punching bag, but he Freeza hour was far more a pause than the rest of his fight for his growth
     
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    Here are my two cents about some of the scaling from the new movie:

    After Vegeta sees SSB Goku try to fight SSJ Broly by himself he joins and tells Goku that "This is not the time to be fighting by yourself", to which Goku replies with "It's frustrating, but you're right". A minute later Goku has to grab Vegeta and escape with IT because they're overwhelmed. After they arrive at Piccolo's, Goku asks for some Senzu and then says that fusing is the only way to beat SSJ Broly, and since there are no Potaras around they'll have to go with the Fusion Dance.

    Also, since Broly's whole shtick is getting stronger as he fights, I'd take a guess and say that the SSJ Broly that Gogeta faced an hour later should be stronger than the one Goku and Vegeta ran away from, even if by a little.

    Now, after Gogeta arrives and his fight with SSJ Broly starts he takes off in order to take Broly away from where Whis and Bulma were. Broly proceeds to chase after him while continuously launching dozens of ki blasts his way. Base Gogeta effortlessly dodges each and every one of them, and as he begins to slow down and stop, he even slaps away a dozen of them barehanded. After that he turns SSJ.
     
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    I found it very odd that Kale was never mentioned or referenced during the movie, you would think Goku or Vegeta would notice the similarities.

    Also Frieza must have vastly increased his strenght to last 1 hour against Broly, even as a punching bag.
     
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    Broly doesn’t become LSSJ up until he’s already fighting Gogeta in the shattered dimension.
     
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    So what's the verdict on Gogeta and Broly when it comes to dc?
     
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    It seems pretty clear they destroyed that weird dimension.

    I’m of the opinion that they actually created it unintentionally because of their beam struggle. That’s at least what I thought was implied, tbh.
     
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    Basically, unless it is explained when DBS starts back up, we know fuck all and its Unquantifiable. It could be like Jogga says and they created/Destroyed their ways out in in, or they could have shattered their way out and in and the dimension could still be there.

    If it is Dimensional destruction, Its a feat that was already done vs Hit, just on a larger scale, and would still be at best Universal.

    Other things it could be:

    A reference to Fusion Reborn's Hellscape, as they shatter a barrier to create/alter it, meaning it might just be Universe 7's macrocosm or seen from another dimension

    Universe 7's version of Hit's dimension

    The Macrocosm of the Muiltiverse, which they poped in and out of as Universe 7 couldn't handle much more at the moment

    etc
     
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    Yeah, all of this is just pure speculation at the end of the day. For all we know, it’s just a tiny pocket dimension that they broke in & out of, since the movie never really bothered to explain what the hell happened in the first place.
     
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    This is one of the rare instances I hope they explain in the anime.
     
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    Considering Dragon Ball's track record one of two things will happen

    1: It is never explained and Toriyama forgets about it

    2: Its only explained when Toriyama figures out what the fuck it is and can it make his life easier.
     
  26. lol 4th dimension reiatsu

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    I doubt that was in Toriyama's outline tho.

    Where the implications of Toppo changing the entire world of void ever discussed?
     
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    What outline for the film?
    It was in the novel as well
     
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    Toriyama didn't write an outline, he wrote the script itself.
     
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    I remember years ago when Super episode 4 or 5 early sub came out there was a statement saying Beerus could punch someone to another dimension.

    Later when proper subs came people realized its a mistranslation.At the time a lot of people said thats stupid and never gonna happen because characters arent that strong and now look Gogeta vs Broly lol.
     
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    The dimension shit really doesn't mean anything other than an unquantifiable fact that two universe+ level entities fighting in DBS can break time-space or something, it really doesn't do anything else.
     
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