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Edo Itachi vs. SM Jiraiya

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shark, Aug 8, 2018.

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  1. Jiraiya

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  1. Shark 鮫仙

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    Since Itachi is advantaged here by having an edo body, I'm giving Jiraiya some help.

    Stipulations: Jiraiya starts fused in SM and has access to Gamakichi instead of Gamabunta, and has sealing tags.
    Knowledge: Jiraiya has full, Itachi has manga and knows about the sealing tags.
    Location: Jiraiya vs Pain
    Distance: 40 meters
    Mindset: to kill

    :hm

    Edit: Koto is restricted. Jiraiya starts with the entirety of the toad army out.
     
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    Itachi blitzes. Jiraiya can't stand against his speed category. He's above him.
     
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    What do you mean Itachi is disadvantaged by having an Edo body? Edo Itachi is a pseudo-EMS user, he's notably stronger than his alive self. So Jiraiya is already at a disadvantage there, as this version of Itachi is above him. Nonetheless, with full knowledge and sealing tags Jiraiya may still be able to win. But the chance is still lower than Itachi's chance of winning, so I'm not sure, maybe after I see some more arguments I'll make a decision.
     
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    ...I said he's advantaged, not disadvantaged.
     
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    Giving Itachi Edo is a great counter to all of the summons Jiraiya has. He can literally spam Tsukuyomi on them until they're all down. Susano'o also helps counter summons, as well as acting as a defense while using Amaterasu, which I'm not sure Jiraiya will be able to evade in the long run. Any big hits Jiraiya throws are countered by Susano'o, and YM if need be. The only thing I see working is Frog Song, but I'm not sure Jiraiya can get to that point without losing a few limbs to Amaterasu. Tsukuyomi is also always an option for Itachi, and Koto if that was something he could use, though typically it is restricted so I'm going to assume you meant to @Shark.
     
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    Edo Itachi stomps low difficulty.
     
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    Jiraiya loses mid diff :hm

    edit: Took a better look at the stips and I'd say Jiraiya can push Itachi to high diff.
     
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    Frog Song or bust for Jiraiya so with full knowledge if he goes for it off the bat then he might have a shot
     
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    No Koto for Itachi of course and now Jiraiya has all of the toad army already summoned (4 Boss toads, one with SM).

    Jiraiya also has Frog Kata and SM sensing.

    Consider he has the location, knowledge and numbers' advantage. He also has tags for sealing.

    :hm
     
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    Jman gets dumpstered

    Mid diff at worst for itachi

    Jman isnt beating any MS user aside from Bee fight Sasuke
     
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    Jiraiya’s best chance is frog song but I don’t see him pulling it off before he’s put down by Itachi so I see Itachi winning a majority of the time.
     
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    There's a chance for frog song given the location & knowledge. He'd have to use plenty LoS blockers and sacrifice toads to keep the distance an stay hidden
     
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    Jiraiya wins for the same reasons he wins against regular itachi. :catshrug
    people need to stop with their nonsense that being ET made itachi 10x stronger or something. :lmao
    Anyone who would defeat living itachi, will defeat ET itachi as well.

    Anyway, Frog Call or Frog Song ends the battle without much problem... :catshrug
     
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    Alive Itachi would already win, give him infinite stamina and it’ll be even easier
     
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    Am surprised people are actually making arguments for jman here, these comments are really troublesome, edo itachi that can spam his justu till thy kingdom come and you think jman stands a chance here, if this was alive itachi, by him using his eyes will pose a problem for him but this itachi is really troublesome for someone of jiraiya's level, no amount of frogs will matter before his eyes, nevertheless amaterasu will be enough to deal with his frogs and there is no way any frog is gonna dodge them, jiraiya's attacks are fodder in front of susano and YM, the only problem for itachi would be frog song, but what's stopping itachi from spamming amaterasu on jman? Provide speed feat of jman that suggest that he can dodge amaterasu, amaterasu is not an attack than goes towards you, to enable jman to dodge it by sensing it, but it is an attack that appears on YOU, just by being visible in front of those that possess the sharingan and said ability
     
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    Never under any circumstances be surprised people are attempting to construct an argument for Jman winning

    Never
     
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    Says who?

    He can't spam shit. If he were to use those jutsu, there will be a point where he gets tired and out of chakra for some time.
    It happened to Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama, Mu, Gengetsu....etc etc.

    Saying itachi will net get tired is his fanboys fantasy.

    Even saying "He "technically" has EMS" is also BS. We have seen his eye getting blind when he used Izanami, which means being an ET on its own will NOT prevent his eye of getting blinded if he overused it.


    Needless to say their delusion about how they think his eye will be a flamethrower for Amaterasu and how he will burn everything down. Shit that never happened....
     
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    Itachi high difficulty. Jiraiya uses LoS breakers and clones to stall a while with full knowledge, but Jiraiya won’t be able to deal with spammable MS jutsu for long. Jiraiya can still win with Gamarinsho, but that’s pretty much it. Itachi has a few ways to kill him meanwhile and can control the fight when it’s out in the open.
     
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    On second thought after rereading the OP, I've changed my mind, with full knowledge and this location, plus all of the toads, Jiraiya should definitely win here. Edo Itachi is stronger no doubt, but Jiraiya has the location and knowledge advantage here. He could simply obscure Itachi's LoS, retreat and prep Frog Song, and then use it to end Itachi.
     
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    Am in no illusion that he won't run out of chakra from spamming his techs, but the advantage of edo on itachi is that, itachi can use his techs with no backlash from abusing it( by his eyes bleeding) also edo enables itachi to refresh his chakra when he overuses it which does not apply to alive itachi, with these conditions in play in itachi, he can freely abuse his eyes in this match up, with hiding in his susano to regain chakra if he runs out of it buh am sure it won't come down to it in this match up
    I never implied that
    Same as above
     
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    And turn him into a Frog when he’s immobilized.

    :hm
     
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    Location and knowledge is the only reason it's not low diff
     
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    Itachi wins. He can now spam his MS abilities due to ET. So, he can fodderize Jiraiya's boss summons with Amaterasu and deal with him with Amaterasu spam as well as his intelligence and Susano'o. And if we use the Sound Genjutsu argument, Itachi could just trap Fukasaku or Shima in a Genjutsu to stop their Sound Genjutsu, or even have a clone of himself cast Tsukuyomi on him (like he did in the Kabuto fight, except with Sasuke) to break out of the Genjutsu.
     
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    The location and knowledge benefits Jiraiya greatly. With full knowledge Jiraiya opts for either a swarm of clones or Ma's dust cloud to block Itachi's LOS. From there Jiraiya clould slip underwater
    unnoticed while Itachi deals with the clones or is recovering from the dust cloud. Though I still agree Itachi is gonna be the victor 7.5/10 times

    He can't do this
     
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    He actually can.
     
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    No he can't

    He doesn't have the reserves to make a clone then have it use MS

    where did you ever get the indication that he can?
     
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    Shima's Dust Cloud was big enough to fill up a good portion of Pain's CST crater, Itachi isn't gonna be able to accurately target the boss summons when he can't see anything.
    He isn't trapping them in genjutsu from 40 meters away especially when neither of them would make eye contact with him as they can see with their sensing. Nor will he be able to see them very well through all of the dust in the air.
    He has never been stated nor shown the ability to do this.
     
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    You know the MS can see through dust?

    Let's not pretend that the distance of the battle will remain the starting distance forever. Ma and Pa can sense him, although I could also make the argument that Itachi, a Genjutsu specialist, can tag them with his finger Genjutsu.

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    Itachi can make clones? Check.

    Itachi's clones can utilize Genjutsu? Check.

    The only thing which (I don't remember) him showing is allowing the clones to activate the MS, which doesn't matter anyway as basic Sharingan Genjutsu can also work for this.
     
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    Pain's Rinnegan couldn't see through the dust cloud, it works similar to Hidden Mist, Itachi's MS isn't seeing through it.
    They have full knowledge, sensing, and LoS blockers, they are not falling for any of Itachi's tricks.
    If he's hit with Frog Song he's completely immobilized though, so he isn't making any clones to free himself.
     
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