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Elric (Elric Saga) vs Reinhard (Dies Irae) vs Genis-Vell ( Marvel)

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by svengali, May 17, 2018.

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  1. svengali the unlikable one

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    Location : A random omniverse
    Victory conditions : K.O or death
    Bloodlust : On
    All of them are at their strongest.
    Who wins ?
     
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    I think Reinhard might be a non factor here unfortunately

    Might need to ask @trexalfa about that before I’m sure

    Otherwise I think it mostly comes down to Elric and Genis
     
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    omniversal shitstorm






    basically, Genis and Elric team up and casually stomp Reinhard who is low multiversal :hestonpls
     
  4. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure super nazi is high-end multiversal.
     
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    even if he is

    the others are omniversal niggaton level :kobeha
     
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    Akko solos all three verses with her omniversal+ YAY.




























    :caticon:maybe
     
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  7. Ampchu Retired

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    Reinhard is definitely WAY above multiverse level+, but even with his high-ends, Genis renders the concept of infinity levels irrelevant at where he is.
     
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    I think Elric does as well but not sure :thunk
     
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    Still need to analyze it more since the last thread was presumed on old OBD tiering (which downplays the shit out of Genis and Reinhard tbh), I noticed Gwyn described the cosmology as Greater Multiverse Level+ when we discussed it last time because he's too ignorant to know what aleph sets are.
     
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    I think there is higher stuff in Eternal Champions but it’s been forever since I last read the books admittedly
     
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    I would go through that respect thread, but it's way too long at this point for me, but if you can research stuff for me and present it, I definitely will give it a look. I hear there are infinite planes of existence, but not sure if that would translate to levels of infinity or they're just generic dimensions.
     
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    Oh there are infinite planes of existence I can confirm that. I do need to analyze them more tho
     
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    Reinhard can make up for lack of firepower due to numbers if he can build them up. Motherfucker is capable of mass producing Gods as powerful as he is out of random souls. At his peak he had like trillions of multiversal+ mooks at minimum. He also has some hax to his name.

    Admitedly, Elric and Genis are going to fuck him up. I brought up Shinza's God Tier in another thread regarding Elric, and he murdered Reinhard with no effort. And that's the most I could say without brainstorming about quantifying Shinza through the new system.
     
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    So omniversal=Above infinity as well? (Pic unrelated)

     
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    The word "Omniverse" is pretty relative, the label by itself doesn't say how big the cosmology itself is. We've had fictions whose cosmology uses the word Omniverse that manage to be smaller than other fictions' Multiverse, a good example of Doctor Who vs Lovecraft Mythology respectively.

    Either way, Genis is 100% confirmed to be above aleph sets.
     
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    I see...I think I understand now. Dissecting entire cosmologies and comparing them to others is hard but I guess that's why you want a new system to take place because terms like "megaverse" or "Omniverse" are not used in the same way for every fiction? I guess I was thinking could "above infinity" characters could still fit the ratings in the current system and where they would be placed.
     
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    They'd be impossible to place, you'd have to overcompromise and that just downplays them in the process.
     
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    Biggaversal threads tend to go a whole lot of nowhere most of the time
     
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    Megaversals and even Omniversals get downplayed by the old system?

    Omniversal rating is as far as a character can go and If a megaversal doesn't have omniversal feats, how can they be greater than their current rating?
     
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    It just means we have to reanalyze their feats and the scale the setting operates.
     
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    I see....thanks for the information. I'm just trying to get a better understanding on this new system and how to quantify so I don't steer myself in the wrong direction.

    Sorry about the load of questions. I really do appreciate the responses...
     
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    ^ (use bro) I ain't ignorant. You ignorant.

    :pathetic
     
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    is genis-vell beyond lucifer from DC?
     
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    Definitely not

    At best they’re equal with Lucy likely being above him
     
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    So who can contest Lucy in Marvel outside of LT and HOTU?
     
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    Phoenix and Lifeforce users (ie Scarlet Witch and Doom) possibly. LT is way too much in my opinion. And HotU is just overkilll.
     
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