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Endeavor is the only hero who ever tried to surpass All Might

Discussion in 'My Hero Academia' started by Xiammes, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. Xiammes Into Free Supporting Staff

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    Rather, he was the only one who didn't give up and accept the status quo. Hawks line really made me think about this. No body was pushing themselves harder then Endeavor, no one was embodying the element of plus ultra harder then him, even after his despair and going down his dark path, he never gave up trying to bridge the gap himself. He is the only hero the public can rely on in this age of turmoil, no one else can fill all mights shoes because no one else even tried.

    He isn't the number 1 hero by default, he earned it. He can never be the symbol All Might was, but he can be a pillar to hold up society till someone else comes. Endeavors done a lot of shit, his atonement will be his body becoming mangled as he continues to resist the forces that seek to destroy society.

    This arc has been great, I want more of this from My Hero.
     
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  2. pumkin1988 Well-Known Member

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    Anime only viewer but this isn't really correct, is it?
    I mean Todoroki is like 12 years old or something. I don't know if he has older siblings.
    So didn't Endeavor actually stop and legit give up to surpass All Might when he tried creating children that would continue his legacy to beat All Might? I mean that is pretty much a defeat IMHO to me. So if Todo is 12 then Endeavor just quit and gave up 12 years ago.

    Then you have to go by the difference of persistence vs stupidity
    Is it stupidity that he wants to surpass AM even though he knows he never will or is it just good ole fashioned persistence?
    Maybe Best Jeanist or Mt. Lady just understand their limitations and would rather not strive for something that is unobtainable. Then you consider the consequnces where pretty much everyone around him their lives are fucked up directly due to Endeavor's relentless pursuit of something he will never have.

    It's a good debate and topic all around. I just feel this has foreshadowing vibes of future Deku vs Bakugou.
    And that is really sad when the Quirkless wonder literally gives God's gift handed to him haha
    Ala Naruto
     
  3. Xiammes Into Free Supporting Staff

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    With you being a anime only viewer it will be hard to have this discussion, but Endeavor is dealing with the aftermath of All Might retiring and coming to terms with his new position, a lot of development going around. It had been pointed out by the new number 2 hero that Endeavor was the only hero who never actually gave up trying to surpass him, even despite the ridicule he got.

    Also Shouto is like 15 or 16, they are in highschool. Endeavor admitted his defeat by All Might, but he never gave up trying. Its like a Goku and Vegeta relationship. Vegeta admitted Goku was just better then him, but that didn't stop him from trying. However in Endeavors case he tried building a legacy.
     
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    Pretty much, heroes getting complacent and over reliant on All Might is the only reason the gap between him and everyone else was so overwhelming. Indeed it is the one massive and potentially fatal flaw of the "Symbol of Peace" plan.

    Endeavor was the only one actually trying to catch up, until his despair at not being able to, caused him to give up and try breeding a more powerful successor (Shouto) who could.

    He definitely earned the spot he has.
     
  5. Yak Well-Known Member

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    And it is that attitude he tried to pass on to his children too after realizing where his own limitations were when pursuing that dream. Figuratively speaking he could've come to 99% close to that goal but his genetic disposition didn't allow for him to surpass that one percent required to become the "new All Might", so to speak. The children he head and especially Shouto were supposed to be his legacy for a new generation. Shouto worked out due to his dual quirk but he problem is that Endeavor was bullrushing a development that must naturally occur and he tried to hammer an attitude into a five year old boy that is more suitable for older adolescents or young men. He didn't let his own child grow into that motivation and actually wanting it, he force-fed it to Shouto because he was getting impatient and desperate and because of how the pressure from his family life as well as his professional life wore down on him greatly. That was the part that was just plain wrong but at least he's realized that it was and tried to keep on living as the number one hero for everyone regardless.
     
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    I agree, BUT and this is a big but (and I cannot lie),

    their whole society is build upon All might being the untouchable number one. I mean think you are a really really good catholic theologian, how hard would you try to out-pope the pope? The point is, if we abstract the rankings from pure power level measures, trying to topple all might would also topple the pillar of society. See Endi dealing with being #1 one strength wise but not filling the pillar spot.

    So I think there are actual reasonable circumstances to people not gunning for that spot.
     
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    Except there is no set definition how the symbol of peace should be. All Might simply claimed the spot and because no one could challenge him he maintained it and the definition that came along with it. Your comparison with the Pope doesn't quite work because there actualyl IS a rule set in Christianity. That's what you have the commandments for. Endeavor could rise above All Might with a completely different interpretation of how a symbol of peace should look like. And no one could fault him for that because it is entirely subjective.

    And there is no way of telling whether Endeavor would be unsuccessful with his way either.
     
  8. Xiammes Into Free Supporting Staff

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    The Symbol of Peace and the Pillar of Society are all things All Might invented and pushed, they are technically his gimmicks. But All Might is a legendary figure, so they became more then gimmicks, it became a institution.

    I don't think Endeavor ever really bought into All Mights shtick because he saw All Might as a peer, not as the man holding society up. All Might deterred villains, but he wasn't the only one doing things, Endeavor has solved more crimes and has saved more people then anyone, even All Might. The era of peace can attributed to him as well.

    We can see that after All Might's retirement, he Endeavor is finally starting to understand what All Might "symbol of peace" thing meant and the impact its had. He is coming to terms with all of this.

    Its not that people should try to topple All Might, but the others should try to stand alongside of him, everyone but Endeavor was fine living in All Mights Shadow.
     
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    Yeah Endeavor earned his place as the number 1 hero for sure

    By not getting in line to lick All Mights boots, he has been unknowingly preparing himself for this weird state of Limbo with no OFA holder to safeguard the people for awhile...Deku is nowhere near ready, both physically and mentally he is just not up to snuff. And All Might couldnt do hero work if he tried anymore, so its all on Endeavor, and its a good damn thing it is on Endeavor and not anyone else...Because no one else is nearly disciplined or powerful or driven enough.

    He may not have attained the number 1 spot the way he wanted, by literally overthrowing and surpassing All Might, but its not exactly like this position was handed to him either...No one else could possibly do what he does right now. Endeavor is far and away the only choice.

    Hell, iirc, his numbers are actually HIGHER than All Mights in terms of Cases solved and People saved...Makes you wonder on what standards the Number 1 Hero is chosen by :lmao

    I like Endeavor, probably just as much if not more than All Might, and i wanna see more of his character and where he goes with this in his own way as redemption.
     
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    The "symbol of peace", this "pillar" needs serious rework by Deku and AM. Deku is gonna have wayyyy more pressure than he can handle. I liked Nick Fury's Avengers idea. The MHA world needs a team of solidarity heroes that can stand not equal but with gaps close enough so that they all can contribute somewhat in the same league (not necessarily equal though), not one dude who's way beyond all their talent.
     
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    Or he was the only one who was such a hardass about it among the heroes Hawks could tell.. or he was the only one who was so obsessed with the top person that you can define his goal by wanting to surpass All Might as opposed to other heroes, who tries to be just as good as they can and surpass their limits.

    really, there is nothing about wanting surpassing All Might which deserves respect, its just he set on his eyes in one particular thing, and had the attitude to make it obvious for everybody. Im sure there a dozens of heroes just trying their best to be the greatest heroes ever without being obsessed by All Might.

    he is just like a guy who focused on defeating the winner of a competition as opposed to winning the competition.
     
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    He is literally the only hero in the entire verse who doesnt lean and All Might and rely on him for everything

    He is the only one who didnt become complacent and constantly sought to better himself enough to take the number 1 spot
    Then what youre sure of is wrong

    The entire point of Hawks monologue was to show the ONLY hero the world over to even attempt to become the greatest was Endeavor

    Yes he became obsessed, but no one else ever even bothered to try period
     
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    what does that even mean? leaning on all Might? A hero who is in there when shit happens tries to save the people who are there and doing their best. society is made of individuals and the heroes are not a collective entity either. Are you saying me all other heroes are like "oh, I dont want to deal with this shit, lets wait for All Might" when shit hits the fan?

    no they are not. lot of heroes tries their best and just do their damnedest regardless whatever All Might shows up or not. thats all they can do regardless they strive to outdo All Might or not, thats in the head. Its just Endeavor who made some competition out of it and got fixated on All Might.

    no, others tried to be as great as they could, without obsessed by All Might.. hell, you could just accept the fact All Might is going to be the greatest and still try your best to improve yourself.

    so what is respectable in Endeavor specifically being obsessed by All Might and never accepting he wont be #1? good for him, he has mental issues. its like a guy running at a wall over and over again not accepting he wont be ablke to break through it is so respectable.

    regarding feats and effort, he could have accomplished the same thing if he just tried his damnedest to be as strong as he can. like Im pretty sure hundreds of heroes did.
     
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    The idea that other heroes just slacked off and relied on All Might for everything while making little attempt to better themselves is massively overstated and slightly ridiculous.

    They didn't target All Might because he is objectively insurpassable, Endeavor destroyed his character and his personal life trying. Doesn't mean they aren't trying to be the best heroes they can. For example Mirio didn't intend to surpass All Might, he just wanted to become a hero who could save plenty of people.
     
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    Other heroes didn't slack off, but none of them ever tried to become number 1, they never really made it to their max potential because they gave up trying to be number 1 hero. All Might had no one to stand beside him, no one to stand shoulder to shoulder with him because they didn't even try. It is admirable that Endeavor tried, second place is just the first loser.
     
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    That's only assuming that the featherman knows anything he talks about .
     
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    Hawk seems aloof and lazy, but the guy knows what he is talking about, he had already done all the research on the Nomu that Endeavor didn't know about. We shouldn't discard his observations.
     
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    And yet Shouto's hyped up to surpass this guy and all might too so it's crazy how Hori's gonna make this happen.
     
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    Considering Hori's obsession with western comics, this might not be far off. After all, Class A is pretty big, perhaps they'll become a united team after graduating, or split off into several factions (guys like Bakugou, Iida, Shouto, and Deku leading their own teams).
     
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    I do think we are going to move to a Hero Team there is already some signs of that Edgeshot is on a Team, Kamui is on a team. Hawk and Endeavor did team up.
     
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