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EOS Ichigo vs EOS Gotei

Discussion in 'Bleach' started by Limbo, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. Limbo Well-Known Member

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    How does it go in your opinion?

    Scenario 2: Add all previous known members (except Aizen) to Gotei's team. Meaning Yama, Yoroichi, Kisuke, Unohana ect.
     
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  2. Adamant soul Well-Known Member

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    Their ONLY chance is to catch him with some hax, otherwise they are totally fucked.

    Add Division 0 and Ichibei's hax might make the difference but as it stands, Ichigo gets the win.
     
  3. Limbo Well-Known Member

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    I added another scenario, do they manage to win this time?
     
  4. Daio Well-Known Member

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    Ichigo solos effortlessly. Like, this isn't even a debate. Everyone is getting spanked.
     
  5. Freshmaker Well-Known Member

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    Rapes his way through most of the Gotei 13 captains only having problems with the big four of Kenpachi,Byakuya,Hitsugaya, and Shunsui.
     
  6. Millón Vasto Bubble "butt" bass

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    This guy has more raw power then the soul king ywach. At some point u just gotta pack up and leave. This is one of those times.
     
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  7. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Ichigo gets fucked over. Don't know what some of you are smoking. Ichigo needs to take damage to reach his hollow form. Otherwise he's only got a beat stick Bankai to rely on, which won't help against hax. Take one look at Askin to see how Ichigo deals with that, and you think Ichigo can take the whole Gotei, including Mayuri? Hard optimistic.
     
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  8. Adamant soul Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to know what you're smoking?
    A "beat stick Bankai" that one-shotted Soul King Yhwach. :notrust

    How exactly is that not going to help when most of them are going to die if he so much as swings his bankai in their general direction?
    If Ichigo had used his Bankai, Askin would be dead as shit. Pure PIS is all that stopped Ichigo from killing Askin.

    And what hax does Mayuri have that's going to keep him from dying to a swing of Ichigo's Bankai/a Getsuga?

    If they had Ichibei or Aizen with them, they'd win but the Gotei members aren't doing shit here.
     
  9. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    So? Would you prefer if I said "really really strong beat stick Bankai"?
    I dunno. Dodge? Not like they're short on evasive maneuvers and illusions :maybe

    Poison...you know, something that's already worked perfectly on Ichigo before and defeated him? Bold of you to assume that Mayuri would be fighting alone though.
     
  10. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Fuck, hax won't even be necessary. ichigo at this stage hasn't even proven that he has the durability to take on some of the captain's big guns. All he has is DC. Everything else they can easily deal with.
     
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    Well I class a beat stick weapon as being something that is limited to close range...which Ichigo isn't because Getsuga. :maybe
    Ignoring the fact that Ichigo (especially in Bankai) should be faster than any of them.

    And would they be able to repeatedly dodge him when he's spamming Getsugas all over the place? This isn't Kenpachi's Bankai where you only need to dodge once and you practically win already. :maybe
    Just because Askin's poison worked doesn't mean Mayuri's will. We already saw Mayuri's poison fail to stop a stronger opponent (Letz Still Uryu) from almost killing Mayuri, leading to Mayuri having to run away. Did his poison get better feats?

    Also Ichigo could just jump over the poison and nuke Mayuri's bankai with a Getsuga. :maybe

    I know he's not fighting alone but most of them are going to die too quickly to actually make a difference here.
     
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    He was surviving attacks from Soul King Yhwach, how does he not have the durability?
     
  13. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Ooooh, this is where you're misunderstanding.

    Ichigo's Bankai doesn't give him stat boosts anymore. Just a stronger sword.

    He was getting pressured by quincy fodder in base and needed Renji to save him.


    Yeah. It's more like Ichigo doesn't have a shred of resistance to this sort of thing. And yes, Mayuri's poisons have gotten insane. He can even paralyze Kenpachi with his shikai alone and simulate timeloops

    You think I'm talking about Mayuri's Bankai? ^ (use bro) doesn't even use it anymore. :kobeha

    He got a completely new Bankai anyway and I'm still not talking about that :kobeha

    No they won't. Again, Ichigo's power's the only thing out of their league. They do so much better than him everywhere else. Shunsui fucks Ichigo over with illusions. He won't even hit the right targets.

    Surviving unquantifiable ink spills from a Yhwach who was dicking around to the extreme. He didn't even leave his chair. :lmao
     
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    Also, EoS Gotei means Hisagi is here. So uh yeah, good luck with that.
     
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    ichigo kicks them to another galaxy
    :mjlol
     
  16. lol 4th dimension reiatsu Well-Known Member

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    Nothing they have is anywhere near as dangerous as the Kototsu.

    Urahara + Yoruichi + Isshin couldn't last 10 seconds against cocoon Aizen :catskully
     
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    IF HoS Bankai Ichigo swings Tensa Zangetsu at the Gotei, they will literally all die.
     
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    Ichigo should be able to easily reiatsu crush everyone bar Kenpachi. For him, a single Bankai Getsuga should be more than enough considering a severely weakened Tensa Zangetsu one shotted SK Yhwach.
     
  19. Stein Life's End.

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    He gets overwhelmed pretty quickly, but Soifon probably dies.
     
  20. Xhominid The Avaricious

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    This. I'm not even sure what Sables' is on because EoS Ichigo is on some next level shit and the guy hasn't even learned how to fully harness his powers.
    Ichigo with Shikai was strong enough to make the Femritter look like pussies and that was him not even giving a fuck and even almost killed Candice with his Getsuga Juujishou which definitely didn't tire him in the least and took out her ultimate attack easily.
    After that, he was literally dancing around 7 Sternritter WHILE STILL IN SHIKAI AND NOT EVEN FOCUSING ON THEM to try and get to Yhwach and took a punch from Meninas which knocked him through multiple buildings... only to immediately continue flying at Yhwach completely unimpeded with only a bruise to the point even Robert sang praise of taking a blow like that.

    This isn't even considering the fact that he was still able to compete pretty well with Soul King Yhwach in terms of pure power with only his Shikai and his Hollow powers boosting it up, let alone his Bankai in which Yhwach wanted nothing to do with it at all for damn good reason.

    Literally the only Shinigami that has Ichigo's number are those with hax(but considering Ichigo's speed and more no-nonsense demeanor at the final arc, they may not get that opportunity) or those with lots and lots of strength(Kenpachi).
    Honestly, Hisagi is really the only real problem Ichigo can face, ironically enough, but Hisagi still has weaknesses and Ichigo can very well stop him from going Bankai.
     
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    EoS Ichigo with his full power. Else he just loses to Base Askin without inflicting so much as a scratch on him.

    Byakuya did this easily. Kenpachi is stronger than an an entire arrancar, quincy, shinigami army.

    And was losing. He had to be saved by Renji. So literally, as I mentioned, he has the raw power with his Bankai, but everything else is shit captains can contend with. Kenpachi for example, has far better feats than Ichigo did Pre-HoS. Here's he backed up by multiple captains who can reverse and fuck with the senses, outhax and poison Ichigo like nobody's business or can straight kill him with full power attacks while he's occupied.

    >Muh Getsuga Tensho

    can be dodged and would never hit all captains, which would then leave Ichigo wide open. You ought to stop thinking with a power level boner and consider how linear a fighter Ichigo is and how that isn't helping against an army of resourceful powerhouses themselves. If Ichigo had his full hollow power active, I might have agreed he'd win. Without? Fuck no. He doesn't have a chance.
     
  22. Xhominid The Avaricious

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    Wow, he lost against Askin when had no idea of his abilities and he KO'd everyone else he fought and it took Urahara and a blindside by Grimmjow to even beat him and that was by an underhanded tactic.
    And considering how Askin works anyway, you practically need to kill him or he'll regen and fuck your shit.

    He still had 3 people helping him out and the fuck? Kenpachi is not stronger than the entire army, don't buy Narita's wank man.

    Losing? When the hell the guy even fought them!?
    Did you forget what happened? After the Femritter and Robert jumped on him to stop him from getting to Yhwach, Bazz-B tried to killsteal on Candice and the other Femritters to attack Ichigo with Nanana and before ANYTHING could happen, Renji and Byakuya told them they got this and he left.
    Ichigo never fought them so that's a bunch of bullshit and I can legit read that chapter again and know I'm right.

    Yeah, Candice sure dodged it to the point even Ichigo had to tell her ass to move...
    Sure.
     
  23. Divell King of Trolls

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    Shikai Kenpachi should already be likely a match for Shikai Ichigo and likely overpower his Hollow form with his Bankai.

    Ichigo is above him with Hollow and Bankai, that is it. And even then he is being banked up by 10+ Captains that can fight him. Rukia and Hitsugaya can freeze his ass, and with Renji, Yoruichi and Byakuya which are the heavy hitter he is deffinetely getting into real trouble.
     
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    So you're agreeing that just because Ichigo has a power advantage, he can't steamroll anyone he meets because hax and circumstance are actually fucking relevant. What a surprise.

    Not sure what Kisuke and the others have to do with this since I'm referring to Base Askin, who hadn't even revealed his true powers.

    Fuck are you talking about? Byakuya fought them alone.

    I disregard Narita's wank when it's actually wank. Kenpachi shitting on Femritters is definitely not that. Fucker was stronger than Unohana without needing his shikai and could match Gerard's strength.

    Ichigo tried to attack Accutrone and doge the others. He couldn't cut it with his reflexes. He'd have gotten holes in him from Bazz-B if not for timely interventon.
    Candice didn't try to dodge it. She tried to overpower it because she's a dumbass. And since when is Candice even worth a speck in front of the top-class captains? Have you also forgotten Sakanade and Kakeokuri are a thing? Ichigo won't even aim in the right direction and will be seeing clones all over the place.

    He strikes anyone Mayuri has tampered with, and he'll find himself debilitated like Hitsugaya was.
     
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    On the very least against Askin, Ichigo couldn't kill him.

    Against the sterrittern he got overpowered by Meninas, a base Kenpachi lv Sternrittern in terms of strenght.

    Which means at least he couldn't bypass through the Sternritterns.

    And compete against Yhwach is a bit of a stretch. He could barely harm him and was getting overpowered by the most part.
     
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    Ichigo wins no debating. No single character will stand up to soul king yhwach end of story
     
  27. Daio Well-Known Member

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    Huh? Kenpachi level physical strength left him with a superficial "bruise" and when he was actually going all out, he took attacks from Reiō Yhwach. His body (before his training even finished) was also tougher than Tenjiro's. RG members got bodies made from Oken.

    Really? Because Ichigo was definitely going all out right? He was playing around with female Sternritters to the point where he asked Candice to dodge his attack and was entirely focused on getting to Yhwach when he got ambushed by the others. Ichigo casually blitzed the female Sternritters from God knows how far away but you really think they were a legitimate threat? Ichigo only started to exert his true reiatsu when he met Yhwach again in the Wahrwelt.

    Eh? All of his stats, eclipse the Gotei 13. In terms of speed, they're all getting blitzed or tagged. Ichigo can keep up with Almighty Yhwach, the same Yhwach that completely blitzed Ichibe, the same Ichibe that was faster than Base Yhwach, the same Yhwach that was faster than Yamamoto, the same Yamamoto that was already faster than the majority of Gotei 13 and certainly no one within it would be capable of blitzing Yamamoto.

    Ichigo's Getsuga has enough AOE to engulf everyone in the Gotei 13 and make dodging impossible (massive AOE and immense speed) and enough power to oneshot them. His black Getsuga was larger than the Reiō's Palace, which is comparable in size to the disc cities.

    True but Yhwach maintains worlds in his sleep and even as a psuedo corpse, even his casual attacks should carry much more energy than that. Bare in mind he could also slice through some of those waves of energy.

    Again, he was never going all out and Bazz-B would have no chance of piercing him based on his later showings.

    The Gotei's only hope is hax but they die, the last thing they see being black.
     
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    Against the Femritters Ichigo never had trouble. He was casually blitzing and hurling them around into the nearby buildings.

    His smaller blade Getsuga was enough to cancel out Vollstandig Candice's Galvano Javelin attack, and his Getsuga Juujishou was overkill, to the point that it not only completely no sold Vollstandig Candice's strongest attack, but it also destroyed her left arm when she tried to counter it. Hell, he wasn't even serious against them as he told her to fuck out of the attack's way!

    After he was surrounded by several Sternritter and Yhwach teased him about setting off for the Soul Palace Ichigo bumrushed towards him without a second thought, no longer focusing on what was going on around him.

    Still, despite being caught off guard he could tank a direct punch to the face from Meninas that send him flying through several buildings without even being fazed (something Robert praised him for), same Meninas that could pin a badly injured Kenpachi to the ground with a similar punch. Ichigo also dodged an incoming blow from NaNaNa and a point-blank bullet to the head from Robert. All of these were done casually.

    If was only after Vollstandig Bazz-B showed up and was about to blast him from behind with Burner Finger #1 that Ichigo started to show concern, though we didn't get to see what would happen because Renji intervened. However, we saw the same Burner Finger #1 in action just moments before when he shot all of the Femritters with it, and Lilloto even mocked him for thinking that it would be enough to take them out, despite all of them outside of Candice being in base.

    That 1v8 clash was cut very short unfortunately. We barely got to see anything, but from the little that we saw Ichigo was being casual, only being alarmed by Bazz-B. But taking into account how it affected the girls, it's wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that he could also brush it off, if not maybe even manage to dodge it in the first place.

    He can also fire Black Getsugas with his bigger Zangetsu blade in Shikai, and one of those was big enough to obliterate the whole top floor of the Soul Palace. It was only after Ichigo went to challenge Yhwach during the final clash that we saw a serious Shikai Ichigo's power. His reiatsu was so strong and heavy that is was oozing from his body and taking visible form.

    Sadly, Ichigo didn't get that many showings in the final arc, and we only ever got to see a serious Ichigo during the final boss battle, where he was outclassed for the most part of it.

    The bad part about his fight with Askin is that it was completely off-panel so we have no idea what exactly happened. All we can assume is that Ichigo got done in because of his lack of knowledge on Askin's very haxxed ability while still in just Shikai.

    Askin was one fabulous motherfucker... I miss that guy!

    :gglife
     
  29. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Yeah no. Read Giriko's statement again.
    Suggesting there's a difference between Kenpachi and Meninas' strength. As if that wasn't obvious from the fact that Meninas at full power can barely bruise Liltotto's cheek while Kenpachi hacks and overpowers Gerard no problem.
    Too bad. Those are the only feats he's got. Asides jobbing to Askin.
    :tiredpepe

    Can you clowns start reading the shit you're replying to? Ichigo kept up with Yhwach with his hollow form, Something he does NOT start out with and needs to activate by taking damage. Otherwise he was fodder to Yhwach dicking around on his chair. The Gotei aren't going to take him that lightly.

    Scans please. I'd like to know what fanfiction this crawled out from. Ichigo uses Getsuga twice against Yhwach and all had shit-tier AoE. Ichigo doesn't have black getsugas anymore, so I know you're lying.

    Using this logic, Liltotto is also planet-level because she was able to take attacks from Yhwach and survive. Even talked shit before collapsing.

    Pre-HoS, Yhwach was basically just having a glorified conversation. He mentions repeatedly that he wants to savor the moment.
    See the above post.
     
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    Bazz-B had a burner finger to ichigo's head, which is quite different from ones aimed at the torso. Even Haschwalth got pierced by Base, wounded Bazz-B's BF1.
     
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