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Epiphany vs Death of the Endless

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Imakarum Mirabilis, Sep 16, 2018.

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    I’m up early so might as well post an idea I had in mind before the end of the week. Anyways, Epiphany and Death talk a stroll through the mystical Otherworld. Who comes out on top?


    Song so fits them :lmao
     
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    I have a mini-respect post on Epiphany saved in my notes so sit tight, this might be a bit lengthy. I’ll also divide it into 3 parts due to the 20 image limit rule as well as a bit of a lengthy analysis on the character.

    Gives inspiration to Rick Jones
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    Figures out Rick Jones’ molecular bonding with Genis without Rick having to mention their link to her


    Aware of Entropy’s plan and Eternity’s involvement in it. Possibly knocked out Rick and sent him elsewhere


    Can perceive the ongoings between Genis in the universe and Rick in the Microverse simultaneously


    Tanked the destruction and recreation of the Omniverse. Note the identical descriptions describing Eternity and Multi-Eternity, the latter of whom outright embodies the Omniverse
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    Gave Rick the “Psi-Fry” ability which knocks Genis back and hurts him as well as it delaying the murder of Eternity


    Said “Psi-Fry” can kill Genis although it costs Rick his life in the process


    Accurately deduces Entropy’s mindset


    Senses the effects of Genis recreating the Omniverse and knowing full well that he and Rick will remember everything
     
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    Stuff gets a bit confusing post-Eternity’s resurrection due to whether or not Genis was simply hallucinating Epiphany or if she was really there. I lean on Epiphany having been there and I’ll try my best to explain why

    Genis yells at Mar-Vell’s grave and says he put Elysius up to confronting him. Notice that his helmet was atop Marv’s headstone but it ends up in Epiphany’s possession. Time is also relative to her as well as the possibility that she can manifest anywhere she likes
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    Epiphany gave Genis inspiration to resurrect Rick through their Psi-Link after sleeping with him albeit his Cosmic Awareness wasn’t activated when they did it so it’s hard to say if it would work with it turned on. It probably would given she could sense the effects of the Omniverse being recreated and how it would affect Genis as well as possibly having helped Entropy drive him insane. I won’t show the scene of them in bed together talking about resurrecting Rick since it might get me into trouble so if you want to see the scene for yourself, check Issue #16 of Captain Marvel Vol. 5 from 2002. A bit of evidence that she was actually there since Rick would likely still be dead without her inspiring Genis to bring him back


    Epiphany is able to see and hear Rick Jones in the Microverse while she’s in the greater universe
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    The author here suggests that Epiphany may just be a figment of Genis’ imagination but he offers up the possibility that she may just be cloaking herself from Rick. Why? No idea but it may have to do with her manipulating Genis. It would make sense that she could given she’s an Abstract entity as well as the fact she was able to figure out Rick and Genis’ molecular bond without Rick mentioning it to her


    Elysius says that both Entropy and Epiphany were manipulating Genis and it’s likely that if Epiphany was with Genis and hiding herself from others that she was still manipulating Genis


    Epiphany says that Genis is still insane but he’s “playing it closer to the vest,” which gives further credence that she was actually there with Genis as the narrator explains that he’s also insane but trying to be less destructive with his madness
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    Eulogy says that Epiphany is but one of 7 members of the Friendless, a spoof on the Endless right down to the names starting with the same letter


    Likely was born when the Omniverse was created alongside Entropy and the other Friendless
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    It’s hard to say where Epiphany stands in terms of firepower since she doesn’t have any offensive feats however she does have the ability to play with Rick and Genis’ molecular bond and kill them both by having Rick exploit their connection to utilize the Psi-Fry ability. Genis also figured out how to use the Psi-Fry ability to mind control Rick and make him commit suicide. While it is impressive that Epiphany can kill Genis, she only does so by exploiting a weak spot in the molecular bond between Rick and Genis rather than something she can conjure up so easily.

    Regardless, she has some hax under her belt, 2 insane durability feats on panel (3 since she likely came into existence with Eternity and the other Friendless), several incredible sensing feats and her being one of Eternity’s children might give her some parity with her brother, Entropy. Shame that she hasn’t shown up since the Peter David run on Captain Marvel, she’s a pretty interesting and unique take on an Abstract entity. I also like how despite her whole thing being about revelation that she’s very much a mysterious entity that plays with whoever has caught her eye which is similar to the Endless embodying opposing ideals.

    One last bit of trivia for the Friendless is that they are meant to embody certain aspects of writing comics. Entropy is the inevitable end of the comic, Epiphany is self explanatory, Eulogy’s function is to bring everything to an end and transition the comic to Entropy, Expediency is about bringing quick solutions to tie everything up and Enmity is also self explanatory. Empathy and Eternity are the mysteries as to what they mean in terms of comics but I’d imagine Eternity is meant to represent the life of the comic before it inevitably ends and becomes Entropy until another comic comes along and it becomes Eternity again. I have no idea what Empathy means here since we haven’t seen Empathy in person as of yet and I doubt we ever will.

    Dissect this all to your heart’s content @TTGL @Ampchu @John Wayne @NightmareCinema @MatthewSchroeder @Jackalinthebox and hash this out. Death probably wins this one but I thought I’d show what Epiphany is capable of. Hopefully by tonight at least, I’ll get to see if this thread goes anywhere :zaru
     
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    Both are hot so noone loses :maybe
     
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    It ends in cosmic sex
     
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    Well, seeing as Death is one of the embodiments of the DC Multiverse, her power is definitely endless levels of infinity simple because the Multiverse's hierarchy reaches to that level, or "multi megaverse level+" as a more shallow comparison. Haven't really looked into Epiphany's feats as much however.
     
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    She mostly has durability on her side. She tanked the Omniverse's creation and destruction and was probably born when it was created. She can also mess with minds be it mortal or Abstract and kill someone as powerful as Genis by frying their brains. Hard to say how powerful she is but if she can kill Omniverse level entities with that, she might be able to kill Death here.
     
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    Going by feats they can do the same thing almost but manipulating genis who could give luci a spanking speaks volumes
     
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    Yeah Epiphany is no joke for sure

    She may be on the sidelines for most of Genis' insanity bit but the girl is damn powerful if you look closely into her :wow
     
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    Oi, sounds like Death doesn't really fair well in an actual fight of this caliber then... granted, Death is extremely hard to actually kill because she embodies an abstract concept on an extremely cosmic level, but sounds like even this won't save her, but hey, she's always cool with forfeiting because it's not her thing, Death's a cool big sis after all. :zaru
     
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    Starting to think Jakk is trying to bait me :gglife
     
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    I thought Death was Omniverse level too but I guess she isn't

    Sorry man :gglife
     
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    She's borderline omniverse level, but not quite there. If anyone were to be baseline omniverse level, I would argue Destiny is simply because he dwarfs the DC Multiverse like a literal person carrying around an encyclopedia textbook, but even that's a little sketchy.

    However, I had the impression that anyone on Genis' level is above the baseline anyway.
     
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    Well I think in terms of conventional firepower, she's (Multi-)Eternity and Entropy's peer but her ability to fry brains like Genis' probably puts her up higher than she otherwise would be.

    Granted, the reason she could do that is because Rick and Genis were molecularly bonded and she was able to figure out their link and exploit a weakness between them but the fact she was still able to give Rick the "Psi-Fry" ability which can injure and kill Genis still says a lot.
     
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    Death has been hit with the nerf stick a bit too often lately, he'll even those 3 sisters embarassed her ass in front of thanos. Only marvel to try to soften the blow with an off hand comment.

    Deaths only real hype is the beyonders not being able to kill her.
     
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    Death did destroy the Cancerverse Galactus so there's that. Multi-Death or I guess Final Death (going off of Starlin's "Infinity Abyss" series calling Oblivion's true form "Final Oblivion") should be the same level as Multi-Eternity and Entropy
     
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    Wait, which Death are we talking about here? I swore it was about Death of the Endless here. :thunk
     
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    Black here might have gotten Marvel Death confused with Vertigo's Death of the Endless here

    I haven't heard of any nerfs Vertigo's Death has gotten but I'm well aware of Marvel Death getting hit by the nerf bat and having her job like crazy
     
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    Missed this feat from the Coven arc which was boring beyond belief

    Epiphany taught Rick a lot about mental discipline and gave him the ability to liquefy Genis’ brain and cut off the sliver of Cosmic Awareness that Coven received from Genis

    Okay, now I definitely think Epiphany wins this one :wow
     
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    Death forfeits in a noble manner and invites Epiphany to her cosmic sleepover instead. :maybe
     
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    Oh, yeah I meant marvel death . My bad :lmao
     
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    Vegito: ''Genis check, the omniverse is already my bitch''




    :mjlol
     
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    I like this thread

    Will post more in detail later
     
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    @Bernkastel you say you saw Genis, Entropy and Eternity give rape faces right? Well check out this one



    Still wanna get "inspired?" :mjpls:
     
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    Death of the Endless appearing in Marvel 616 coming to catch some fades

    Now that's fucking power bruh
     
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