Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Marvel, Nov 30, 2019.
Zamasu isnt blue level, it’s toei BS in wich goku blue is sandbagging.
He never actually landed a legit hit on goku aside from when he overpowered him thier very first clash.
Trunks post vegeta training still put his trust in blue goku. And trunks straight woulda killed Zamasu.
Toei writing is so bad they literally missed the point of the villains being a saiyan and a kaioshin, there's no point in thinking about bit feats like this.
Black isn't mean to get stronger as he fights, he is supposed to abuse zenkai as Zamasu heals him.
Toei didn't realize or care about this and that's part of why the fights in that arc are so inconsistent.
Both things apply to Saiyans.
No they don't, saiyans don't become stronger mid fight and zenkai only works after surviving a near dead state not any simple beating.
Furthermore, there's a point at which they simply don't have zenkais anymore.
They certainly don't heal or regenerate by themselves like Black seemingly does.
The verbatim "They get stronger the longer they fight" is used ad nauseam in the Namek arc.
They just mean trough Zenkai, they never become stronger mid fight.
That's why Vegeta needed Krillin to blast a hole trough him in order to try and reach Freeza.
You are just assuming mutual exclusivity based on nothing
You are assuming something that was NEVER SHOWED IN THE MANGA based on a misinterpreted line about zenkai, that I don't even remember if it was actually used in the properly translated version.
Future Zamasu is SSB level from the early parts of the FT arc this is clear as day. He could fight SSB Goku and even pressure him but also Goku states he senses something different about this Zamasu than the one he fought as a SS2.
The Trunks vs Zamasu fight is simple idk why some people complicate things. Here are the reasons
1. Trunks got much stronger after training as the episode preview states he shows off his power which has greatly increased.
2. Zamasu was cocky and eager to show off his new immortality so he wasn't trying to severely hurt or kill Trunks just yet. We see later Zamasu was still able to contend with SSB up until Goku raged boosted assault which Zamasu was outclassed in terms of power.
It is just inconsistency. Not only was Zamasu overwhelmed by SSJ Trunks (or SSJ2, you can't tell the difference in Trunks hair in the anime) in the same episode, but in EP 63 he used almost all his energy to attack Black and in a weakened SSJ state he was still able to handle Future Zamasu
So Future Trunks with a few days of training got SSB level? Because following the logic that FT Zamasu is SSB level, the same should be true for Trunks, which makes no sense
It's that half-Saiyan juice, bro.
Gohan also reached SSB tier overnight!
That was the moment I stopped taking Mirai Zamasu seriously, it was so funny.
Maybe the reason Goku Black seemed to be getting stronger when he fights is, because Zamasu was learning how to unlock the power that Goku already reached.
scratch that, I forgot we were talking about future zamasu.
The problem is that Zamasu deals 0 damage to Goku,Vegeta Blue and is treated as garbage.
Vegeta does not even praise Zamasu's power, proving that he is a weak man who is only on the battlefield for being immortal.
The difference from SSJ2 to Blue is like the strength of an ant compared to a dinosaur.
so if Zamasu = Goku Blue,and SSJ2 Trunks press God Zamasu is ridiculous.
Trunks is the most bizarre case, he was weak to base Black.
but magically he gets strong enough to kick Goku Black Rose.
Toei power scale, it's more fucking than Marvel.
Vegeta not prasing him means nothing as Goku already stated he senses a difference from present Zamasu and Future Zamasu. Idk how many times it has to be said him being immortal won't let him exchange blows with SSB Goku and even puched Goku back.
He would have to at least be close in power for him to be able to compete with Goku so idk where did you get Zamasu=Goku from. I clearly said Zamasu at least put pressure on Goku so no amount of immortality would allow him to be able to compete power wise and exchange blows like that .
Another thing your simply forgetting Goku gets stronger every time he fights and by the time they show up post Vegeta's training and Goku learning the mafuba it's clearly shown Zamasu is now being outclassed.
As i said early FT Arc Future Zamasu was able to hold his own and exchange blows with Goku. Another thing your forgetting Trunks was stated to have trained and has gotten a great power increase this was from the preview itself which Herms translated. They letting you know why and how Trunks was able to fight Black and hold his own so your acting as if Trunks is the same in power as he was when he first encountered Black. Gohan did the same in just a few hours caught up to be able to compete with SSB Goku and Gohan at that point at least was above RoF SSB and Champa arc SSB without question. So it's ok for Gohan to reach that strength but not Trunks see it goes both ways.
What the fuck am I looking at.
He's not really SSB level. There's one little sequence where he gives Goku some trouble but that's it. The entire rest of the arc he does nothing but get his ass beat, while being immortal so it doesn't matter.
He got stronger from his training, and was able to put up SOME sort of a fight, but for the most part he continued to be manhandled by Black.
But yes, power scaling is an issue in the FT arc. Really, that and the ending are the only things holding it back from being the GOAT arc.
That is a factor, but an emphasis was placed on the whole "Saiyans get stronger as they fight" sort of thing. That's also generally the rationalization for Goku/Vegeta's growth in the ToP.