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FPSSJ Broly vs FT arc SSB Vegetto (Manga, Unlimited Fusion)

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  1. Soldierofficial

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    Location: Beerus's planet
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    The winner is healed and fight against Beerus under the same conditions, who wins?
     
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    Manga Blue Vegito was stated by Shin to have power potentially superior to Beerus

    FPSSJ Broly has the exact same accolade

    So they are essentially equals, with Broly having potential for growth on the table and Vegito having hilariously more powerful techniques and being hilariously more skilled

    Vegito can win if he ends it quickly, with attacks like Final KHH or Final Atonement hed amp his power well above Brolys and end him.

    Hes also got CSSB, as Vegeta states in the manga, they shared the knowledge of that form when fused, so Vegito can use it
     
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    Good observation.

    The SSB Vegetto that we saw was not a complete SSB, as he didn’t use MSSB.

    You know what that means? MSSB Vegetto bodies all the GoDs at the same time no diff

    :tupac
     
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    Broly wins unless Vegito goes CSSJB and ends it right then and there with a kill, otherwise Broly will adapt over him and belt him.
     
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    How do we assume wether they are using SSJB or MSSJB against Broly as Goku/Vegeta or Gogeta? Since there was no Manga version.

    Are we to assume if there was a Manga version of the events, they would have used MSSB? For Goku and Vegeta, sure. But Gogeta? Hmm...
     
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    Not really, MSSB Gogeta couldnt one shot Broly, theres no way he can destroy 12 GoDs at the same time, Hakai probably ignores durability.
     
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    Gogeta was using MSSB, like Goku and Vegeta.


     
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    Shin made this statement for Final Kamehameha SSB Vegito it wasn't for him in general. He says it right at the momment Vegito raised his ki with that attack and we know going back to DBZ when characters charge up attacks their battle power increases.

    Toyotaro was asked at a comic con event about this and he says it is not known if it's true or not. Shin also has a bad track record so Beerus>SSB Vegito(Manga) is most likely more true then SSB Vegito(Manga)>Beerus. Supreme Kai Shin simply isn't credible enough and his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. At best SSB Vegito could hold his own against Beerus but wont be able to win.
     
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    Come on... isn't that reaching a little? He clearly meant it for Vegetto in general.
    East Kaioshin may not have a great track record. However at least it's something, we have nothing else to go on and nothing to say that Beerus should be greater than SSJB Vegetto.

    So for now... SSJB Vegetto > Beerus.

    Which also means: MSSJB Vegetto >> SSJB Vegetto > Beerus > SSJG Vegetto
    Though MSSJB Vegetto's fusion time would probably be fuck all.
     
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    Anyway. If it's true that Broly fought MSSJB Gogeta and not SSJB.
    Against an SSJB Vegetto from FT Arc, FP SSJ Broly might have a chance. Though I'd still edge it to Vegetto.
     
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    The idea that Gogeta needs MSSJB to beat Broly who is probably stronger then Beerus is kinda silly unless Goku and Vegeta barely got stronger since the Black arc.

    But with Vegeta new power and the power increase from battle in the TOP, SSJB Gogeta should be >> Black arc Vegito let alone Completed blue but then again, this is Beerus and his goal post powers probably activated again.

    Regardless, Broly is said to be by Goku to have power that probably surpasses Beerus, and so far nothing is saying otherwise on that
     
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    How is that reaching pay attention to the chapter itself Shin doesn't make this statement until that specific scene. He made no comparison whatsoever when he first saw SSB Vegito beat down Zamasu. It's 100% fact when they charge up their attacks or strongest ki blast their power increases.

    He makes this comparison right at that moment so if SSB Vegito in general was above Beerus then Final Kamehameha SSB Vegito would have been stated 100% to be above Beerus yet Shin still questioned it.

    Even Toyotaro questions Shins statement and says its not known so your head canon is useless. You want Vegtio>Beerus to be true so bad and that's simply not the case here. You took Shins statement in which he questioned if Vegito was above Beerus like if it's 100% fact or confirmed lol.

    You also ignored Toyotaro the man himself stated nothing or confirmed anything so how did you decide that for now SSB Vegito>Beerus oh is it cause you said so lol.
     
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    Goku and Vegeta are not much stronger than when they fought against Zamasu (in the same form), so even if we assume that Gogeta is as strong as Vegetto he definitely needs SSB to defeat FPSSJ Broly, someone at Beerus's level destroys SSG Vegetto/Gogeta, Goku and Vegeta need UI or SSB fusion to reach GoD level.
     
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    This guy is right. Vegetto's power wasn't suspected Beerus level until he powered up his strongest attack. We all know in DB battle power rises when a character focuses their ki for a special move.

    In general power, Vegetto wasn't around Beerus level. Even his best attack was unsure with a "might". You have to go with Broly here. Since he is currently so powerful, facing a stronger fusion than FT arc Vegetto in current Gogeta. Broly too is guessed to be Beerus level.

    Broly wins based on plot boost arc narrative.
     
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    Absolutely your on point it's pretty simple to understand that scene and Toyotaro's intentions.
     
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    Just like how SSB Vegito back in the black arc was supposed to?

    Thought the Vegito wank died out?

    This is broly rather easily maybe even a one shot
     
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    There is no wank. Vegetto never used MSSB in the Zamasu fight.
     
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    I wouldn't say that the fact that it took several attacks from a stronger fusion to defeat Broly meant that he would have the edge in this fight.

    We have the example of base Goku holding his own against Ikari Broly and Golden Freeza having endured fighting for hours against SSJ Broly, even though both are much weaker in these situations (and are generally treated here as inconsistent in Goku's case or as a gag in Freeza's case, but they are never used as arguments, which I disagree with).

    Anyway, if SSB Gogeta beat Broly with one shot then there would be no fight.
     
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    But he isnt able to destroy the 12 GoDs at the same time, maybe SSBE Gogeta can do it (I suppose he could use that form) but not in MSSB since he is not that strong according to feats, fusions are definitely the most overrated characters.
     
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    What feats? MSSB to SSB is a huge jump.

    MSSB Vegetto would slaughter them.
     
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    Zamasu can stomp 2 SSJB at the same time easily and CSSJB Goku rivaled him

    So I'd say CSSJB Vegito would easily handle 2 Destroyers with ease, Post TOP CSSJB Vegito would crush them all
     
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    Post ToP Vegetto cant be much stronger than his FT arc self since Goku and Vegeta are not much stronger than before.
     
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    I'd say SSJB Gogeta would be at least be stronger then CSSJB Vegito Black Arc

    Add CSSJB and I can see him taking out all 12

    Until this man steps in:torilol
     
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    SSB Gogeta cant be stronger than FT arc MSSB Vegetto since Goku and Vegeta are only slightly stronger than their FT arc self.

    Broly Movie MSSB Gogeta >> FT arc SSB Vegetto ~ FPSSJ Broly >= Beerus > UI Goku ~ FP Jiren
     
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    We know that TOEI is inconsistent with DB plot. Base Goku fighting Ikari Broly was just for flash not story. Freeza enduring Broly is no different from TOEI having base Vegeta/SSJ endure Kid Buu. However, Canonically in DB manga, beings fighting each other head up who are able to take multiple attacks are indeed around the same level. Broly endured dozens of blows from Blue Gogeta after trading with SSJ Gogeta earlier, then was going to be finished with the signature Kameha.
     
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    The power scaling isn't entirely off with the Broly vs Gogeta fight cause SSJ FP Broly tanked SSJ Gogeta and smacked him across the dimension itself. Though I'd still say SSJG could've been enough until Broly powered up again, then going blue would be better
     
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    We don't know that, Goku and Vegeta for example are said to become stronger then ever from fighting Broly, I would assume after the black and TOP arc they would grow bigger in power.
     
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    wait how do we know manga broly is beerus level? heck he doesnt even appear to use LSSJ.

    the manga has no qualms making a difference between important statements such as who beat beerus in an armwrestling match.
     
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    The anime never stated who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match. It's no coincidence that Quitela was introduced that very same episode too. The manga gave a name and it was Quite-la. So they do not contradict on important story points.

    Broly was never stated to be Beerus level, it was only guessed that he was with "probably." Since the manga continued from the Broly arc, that line stays in for canonical sake. Since it was written by Toriyama. Neither TOEI and Toyoland contradict his main plot points.
     
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    Probably stronger not as strong
     
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