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  1. Norb

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    This is where you come if you want to learn French xD
    I'll be helping as best as i can xD Anyone can help xD
    Beware
    Ronin hates french.
     
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  2. monk3

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    sure i can try to help. i must say i do not parle francais bien parce que je parle un peu. XP
     
  3. vervex

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    I can help you guys, and correct you if you make mistakes ;)
    How does it work ? Is it one single person that gives a course or all the members can participate ?
    French is my 1st language.
     
  4. Norb

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    To be honest my written french sucks atm although spoken = fluent. I Guess we could talk all in french and pick up mistakes of others here and there. If someone comes for help/learn, i guess we can try with basics. aka verbs >.> and verb tenses (horrble yuk) =] unless they're asking for something specific. In my case, i won't be bothering much with the "accent" : ???? because a bit of a pain for me >.>

    Anyways, french starts next post!
    Joyeuse participation ^_^
     
  5. Procyon

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    Anyone can help, and if you don't feel like working together, I suppose you could make your own seperate topics, although that might not look very organized. So teach me some French!
     
  6. Norb

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    hey Giro ;O was there anything in particular you wanted to learn? =]
    Ok some basics here:

    I = Je
    You = Tu (singular) / Vous (plural)
    He = Il
    She = Elle
    We = Nous
    They = Ils / Elles
    Ils is the plural of il as can be noticed. same goes for "elles"
    Something to be noted. "Ils" may contain a girl/woman (basically a female, but sounds rude >.>). I'll give examples:
    4 guys, 2 girls -> Ils
    1 guy, 10 girls -> Ils
    0 guys, 3 girls -> Elles

    We don't have "it" in french as far as I know. Objects are sometimes refered as "il" or "elle" based on a convention which sets an object to be either masculine or feminine (i can't get better words)

    Feel free to correct me if i mentioned something wrong >.>
     
  7. Cut Thru Me

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    I've taken some classes of french, i forgot alot though so ill just stick to this thread :)
    And im pretty sure you're right Norb.
     
  8. Norb

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    Just a note: for those of you who don't understand french. If i ever write french I'll translate in the line below it with T: meaning Translation:

    hehe Salut CTM :wink
    T: Hi CTM
    Comment vas-tu? ^_^
    T: How are you?

    Comment = How
    you = tu (as mentioned in previous post)
    now something interesting
    vas (this is only used for "tu")= go
    The verb "to be" is actually "Etre" in french
    The verb Etre will come up fairly often when you use the past tense.

    back to "vas" then. Vas, which is translated as go, is the verb "Aller" in french. Now, this is how french works. Remember the terms i introduced earlier. I'm gonna use them now to show how the verbs work in french. I'll be writing only the Present tense. (btw present is written the same in french, just differently pronounced)

    Aller (To go)
    Je vais
    Tu vas
    Il/Elle va
    Nous allons
    Vous allez
    Ils/Elles vont

    which translate i go, you go, he/she goes, etc. You get the idea.
    Some interesting stuffs to note.
    Most verbs in french work the same way.
    the verb following Tu will usually end with an "S"
    je end with "ai" but definitely not all the time.
    il/elle won't end with the "S"
    Nous ends with "ons"
    Vous ends with "ez"
    ils/elles end with "ont"
    This is for present tense only =] (they will show up in other tenses of a verb though)

    Another thing interesting with the verb "aller", you will notices how "vais", "vas", "va" and "vont" look so out of place? (like WTF) some verbs will work like that. I don't really know the reason though >.> but that's how the verb works ^_^

    wasn't that a nice intro of verbs with just a "how are you?" :wink

    note: Etre is actually ?tre. the first E has a hat on it but i won't mention it again coz i'm lazy >.>
     
  9. kurisawa

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    ditto to that
     
  10. TenshiOni

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    Is about to take a French final in 3 minutes...::is at school library::..

    Why couldn't i have sceen this thread last night? :crying

    Bye all. Wish me lucK!
     
  11. Procyon

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    Best of luck Mike! Just think: this is one more step closer to vacation.
     
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    It could be ?a. Or Cela. But cela is more for this.
    Example: It's stupid ! / C'est stupide ! [C' is the abreviation of ?a/cela - est the verb is]

    Good luck TenShi ;)

    Are you trying to say you are fine ? Then it would be : Je vais bien, et toi?

    Normal french speaking:
    Bla... J'ai pass? une journ?e horrible. Il y a eut un marathon aujourd'hui ? l'?cole de 5 km. Et j'ai ?t? oblig?e de le faire... ?a a ?t? tr?s p?nible -_-; Et je me suis retrouv?e avec un mal de t?te horrible... T_T

    Quebec's french slang:
    J'pourrais aussi ?crire comme j'parle. Mais les appostrophes sont vraiment chiantes... Tk, ceux qui parle courrament le fran?ais vont avoir aucune probl?me ? me comprendre ;) ?a serait l'fun qu'il en aille sur le forum... On verra ben ;)
     
  13. dmby

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    if anyone needs help, i would be happy to direct you. But in the Meantime: Mangeons! Buvons! Vivons!

    Can someone give me a list of french Swears?
     
  14. Norb

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    CTM, I'll do the verbs of "etre" and "avoid" which are the two BASIC verbs to know since the rest of the verbs will depend on them 90% of the time for tenses other than present tense.
    also: vervex corrected your sentence ^_^
    a translation of what you said would be

    CTM: Il comment bien, et toi?
    T:He how good, and you?

    Since the question i asked you was "how are you?"
    you're likely to reply "I am good/fine" -> translated by vervex above.

    good luck TO ;D

    Vervex: Probleme est masculin. Example:
    J'ai ce probleme de mathematic a resoudre.
    (unless it's how u pronounce it in quebec)
    And yea i understood the quebec french ;O

    dmby, vervex might help you with the swear ;P but try doing it in pms =P swears to be taught here >.>
     
  15. dmby

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    Fine... but im not leaving til i know more than merde, ok? good.

    oh, et je suis un pomplemousse. et un canard. et ne ne sais pas votre chien...

    spam in french! yay!
     
  16. monk3

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    ok lemme contribute a little

    etre- note that there should be a little ^ on the top of the first e

    forms of etre-

    je- suis
    tu- es
    il/elle/on- est
    nous- sommes
    vous- etes (there should also be a ^ on the first e)
    ils/elles- sont

    etre means to be

    can be like

    Je suis un pizza
    Translation- I am a pizza

    Tu es un pizza
    Trans- you are a pizza

    il est un pizza
    trans- he is a pizza

    and so on stuff like that. any questions?
     
  17. Norb

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    I'm pretty sure it's "une pizza"

    But it's good you mentioned "on" which isn't the same as the english "on". Go elaborate on "on" monk3 :wink
     
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    yup. its feminine... je se regarde! je suis narcissistique!
     
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    This looks and sounds wrong. can you pick up your mistake?
     
  20. monk3

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    whoops it was feminine? :p

    ok im now gonna explain on

    On basically means the noun of one

    such as:

    On fait nettoyer la cuisine (sorry if i misplaced the verbs or whatev)

    T- one will clean the kitchen

    basically its an indefinite noun so to speak.

    On can refer to a singular person or a group of people

    i dont know how to explain "on" better
     
  21. Kona

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    In casual conversations, "nous" (we) is frequently replaced with "on". Many native French speakers seldom use “nous”. “On” is often used partly because it shares the conjugation of “il” and “elle”, which is typically simpler than that of “nous”. For example, “On a faim” (We are hungry) is more conveniently said than “Nous avons faim”.

    “On” can also be used to indicate “one”. For example, “when one wishes” can be translated to “quand on le souhaite”.
     
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    omelette du fromage
     
  23. monk3

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    thanks handsome stranger XD

    uh ok lets see.

    oh! -er verbs!

    -er verbs
    verbs that end in -er such as manger (to eat) ecouter (to hear)

    they become conjugated just like etre

    if we use ecouter (note that ecouter has an accent on the first e)

    je- ecoutes -r *note this would be j'ecoute -i'll explain this later-*

    tu- ecoutes -r +s

    il/elle/on- ecoute -r

    nous- ecoutons -er +ons

    vous-ecoutez -r +z

    ils/elles- ecoutent -r + nt

    this is common in most -er verbs

    manger is a little different in the nous form

    it would be mangeons instead of mangons because of pronounciation and it just sounds weird. but thats my explaination on -er verbs. any questions?
     
  24. Norb

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    I'm pretty sure the use of "du" is wrong. I would use "au" or "de".

    monk3: go for the verb "avoir" it's a very important verb ;)
     
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    ok avoir - to have

    conjugated just like other verbs with the nouns

    je- ai (j'ai *i'll explain in another post)

    tu- as

    il/elle/on- a

    nous- avons

    vous- avez

    ils/elles- ont

    in a sentance

    il a six ans
    T: he has six years
    NOTE the French Language uses avoir to show age saying that so-and-so has like say 9 years. meaning he/she is 9 years old. make sense? any questions?
     
  26. Kona

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    It's important to note that the verb "aller", although an -er verb, is irregular. Keep in mind that a subject and its verb must agree in both number and person. So for example, "They (feminine) have went" should be translated to "Elles sont allees".

    The partial conjugation of "aller" is as follows (I haven't included the seldom used forms):

    Indicatif

    Present
    je vais
    tu vas
    il va
    nous allons
    vous allez
    ils vont

    Imparfait
    j'allais
    tu allais
    il allait
    nous allions
    vous alliez
    ils allaient

    Passe simple
    j'allai
    tu allas
    il alla
    nous allames
    vous allates
    ils allerent

    Futur simple
    j'irai
    tu iras
    il ira
    nous irons
    vous irez
    ils iront

    Passe compose
    je suis alle
    tu es alle
    il est alle
    nous sommes alles
    vous etes alles
    ils sont alles

    Participe

    Present
    allant

    Passe
    etant alle
    alle, allee ; alles, allees

    Imperatif

    Present
    va
    allons
    allez

    Subjonctif

    Present
    que j'aille
    que tu ailles
    qu'il aille
    que nous allions
    que vous alliez
    qu'ils aillent

    Conditionel

    Present
    j'irais
    tu irais
    il irait
    nous irions
    vous iriez
    ils iraient
     
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    ^ nice but you should also explain things. you should also add elle/elles in some cases like passe compose.

    Just putting everything from a verb book won't help ppl who don't understand french or who are trying to learn french. Putting all the tenses at once isn't gonna help =] Even for me, just like you, i'd have to pick up a conjugation book to know some tenses.

    Note: If someone who does know french tries to explain something. try to explain it from the point of view that the person who's gonna read it doesn't know french/is just a novice.

    Examples: in french, in some tenses, and in adjectives, words change if it's feminine. They usually add and "e", some cases which end in "x" change to removing the "x" and add "se". Adding "s" is fairly stardard -> plural.
     
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    I'm starting to remember stuff, at least a little more >.> But Kona that was overwhelming O_O

    I only think we managed to learn 'present', when i had french.
     
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    alright im gonna explain what ive said i'd explain the things like j'aide and stuff like that.

    in the French language, if i wanted to say i listen it would be directly translated into "je ecoute" but that doesnt flow. the french language wants things to flow, so if a noun, lets say je, is directly next to a verb, lets say ecoute, both have a vowel sound so they must use a comma, ', to make it flow into j'ecoute.

    other examples are l'hopital. although it does not have a vowel starting, it has a silent 'h' that makes a vowel sound. therefore they are joined by a comma. any questions?
     
  30. Norb

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    ^ I think it's better to start explaining things from a point of view that the French language will classify a word to be either feminine or masculine. That of course does not include verbs, prepositions but rather objects and abstract words.

    by abstract i mean for example: the reason -> T: La raison
    Le/La/Les (masculine/feminines/plural) means THE.

    Unlike english, which only accouts for plural, french accounts for masculine/feminine as well as plural. An object can either be masculine or feminine, but not both at the same time (obviously >.>).

    I'm a bit lazy right now but i'll come up with some of the essential tools you'll be encountering in french later =]
     
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