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from where did itachi's fans come up with

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Hussain, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    ET gives him EMS-like ability, so to say? :nonon



    I understand the desire to make/want itachi to look stronger. But is there any basis for this? :hmm

    Thank you...:blobblush
     
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    EMS as far as the normal MS jutsus are concerned as the Edo regen takes care of the damaged eyes problem. The cost to use forbidden jutsus isn't circumvented however.
     
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    It doesn't give him EMS like ability.

    Just like it doesn't give him extra speed and enhanced durability like you Naruto fapboys like excusing his superior Edo performance with.
     
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    Where did it state that ET removes the damage that happens to the eys? Had it been so, he wouldn't have gotten blind
    by Izanami either.
     
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    Because Itachi showed no signs of drawbacks that he used to.. Izanami is different, even an EMS eye would prob go blind from it
     
  6. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Well duh, he barely engaged in 2 fights only. :dank
     
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    The cost to use the forbidden jutsu is losing sight in the eye. It's not damage but a cost.

    The other MS techniques (amaterasu/tsukiyomi) do damage to the eye. Logically the Edo regen would bypass this drawback.
     
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    That's the cost to all MS as well. It's just the Izanami/Izanagi make that instant.
    Where, for example, Susanoo does more damage to the eyes than Amaterasu/Tsokyomi...etc

    Had ET been able to heal blindness completely, then it wouldn't have mattered whether this is a "cost" or not.
    For example, usually, the cost for C0 is for the user to lose his life. However, had ET Deidara used C0 he will return no matter how
    much he uses it. However, this is not the same here with MS. We know for a fact that ET will not stop blindness.

    Building on the same example for C0, we had seen Mu using his split jutsu (don't remember the official name)
    and ET does not fix that either.

    Gengetsu used his Joki Boy jutsu which does "damage" or drain the body, and ET does not fix that either.


    Whether it's a cost/damage the same thing applies here.
    (except when Asspulls are involved like with Asspulldara's Limbo and/or ET being able to use Summoning jutsu)
     
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    Before Itachi was fucking dying coughing up blood and shit and had to turn his Sharingan off after only using MS a couple times when he was alive.. Edo Itachi was spamming that shit. Keep in mind Edo Itachi's MS was in the same bad condition it was in when he died
     
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    Its similar to having ems in that he doesn't have to worry about loosing his eyesight,as well as quick exhaustion.
    But its still inferior as ems among those things,also increases the power of the techniques. E.g susanoo genjutsu e.t.c
     
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    :dank

    in part 1-2 it's been years since his awakening to the MS. So, him getting to that point makes sense.
    We don't know how much he used it, but he used it to that point.

    When ET happened his MS became fresh again (for plot convince reasons :catshrug)
    so, obviously, the same result will not happen in 5-10 minutes. :dank
     
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    that's the question. From where did you come up with him not losing his eyesight
    when we have seen that ET DO get blind!!!! :geg
     
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    But it's stated Edo Tensei come back exactly the way they were not restored or else Nagato would be healthy, Hiruzen would be young, Minato wouldn't have Kurama, etc.. So Itachi's MS were still used up
     
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    Dude, the forbidden jutsus require one to sacrifice an eye. You lose the eye. It isn't a bunch of damage until you go blind.

    The MS techniques damage the eye.

    Those are two completely different things.

    What?

    A cost is a payment to perform a jutsu. Losing your eye is the cost. Because it invokes a state and not damage Edo regen won't fix it.

    The cost is not damage. The blindness is a result of a cost, not damage. Edo regen works on damage, not costs.

    This cost is true for EMS as well. There is no getting around it.

    No.

    C0 blows up the user, resulting in death. Death is not a cost but a side effect, one that can be circumvented with immortality.

    You can't build on an invalid example.

    Of course it doesn't, the cost of the split is a 50% reduction in power.

    It's a COST NOT DAMAGE.

    Edo repairs damage, not costs.

    It's a cost, not damage, hence why Edo regen doesn't help it.

    No it doesn't apply. Cost and damage are two separate effects. They are not interchangeable.
     
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    As I said, it's for plot convenient.

    Minato did seal Kurama inside of him before he died, btw. :doge

    It's the same reason Asspulldara returned to his prime and did not come back as an old fart the way he died. :catshrug
    Or how Hizashi returned with his Byakugan even though his Byakugan should have been sealed when he died. :catshrug

    Kishi wouldn't bring itachi back as a blind girl, obviously. :catshrug
    But regardless, we have seen him getting blind at the end (when his role has already ended, against, for plot reasons lol :maybe)
     
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    I thought that was because Kabuto prepared his body to be "enhanced"?
     
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    I know Idk why I even typed that lol..
    Good points, but I'm still not convinced Edo Itachi can go blind.. We saw how much he spammed MS in the war. He couldn't spam it half that much before not to mention he didn't even mention being exhausted or losing eyesight a single time after spamming it that much when he was Edo
     
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    This is just playing with words tbh. :catshrug


    we could also say "the COST for obtaining fast power is the fact that the eyes will go blind eventually"

    or instead of the COST, the "in exchange" as itachi put it. :V
     
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    Kishi and his tunneling butthole, a special compartment reserved for itachi... And Madara.
    Kishi wanted Itachi to be praised by everone including Hashirama ( I legit cringed at that during my first read ). But the scaling put him behind. And he had to bring itachi up again. And in order for that to happen, he needed itachi to not cuck. And for him to not cuck, he needs fresh eyes. If he was resurrected blind, who was going to carry Nagato around?

    You must know man... Itachi and Madara, the reason the term Uchiha Shippuden was coined.
     
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    There is literally nothing in that scan that changes anything...?

    No because it's been called damage and strain, with the symptoms that go with it. (bleeding/pain)

    The forbidden jutsu's are not MS techniques, a normal sharingan can perform them. When performed the user simply loses all sight of the sharingan with no corresponding indications of pain or bleeding.

    They are two separate and unique effects - one cost the other damage.
     
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    the damage IS a cost. :sag

    cost is simply something you have to buy in exchange for something else.

    The cost for using a powerful move is the user getting damaged for using it
    the cost for the House you got is the money you paid to get it
    the cost for you getting muscles is the training you have to do/the hours you put in.
    the cost for your fun time/rest if the opportunity that you lost in doing something else

    ...etc etc

    anything and everything can be a "cost".

    if you have another definition, please do tell us... :hmm

    explain to us how the "damage/strain" and "blindness" is not a "cost" for using a powerful jutsu...
     
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    It comes from his ET state removing all the negative drawbacks of the Mangekyo like EMS does. He no longer has sight issues, suffers from pain with use, or gets physically debilitated after using MS techniques.
    EMS also seals itself away after Izanagi, so I'm not sure what that panel is supposed to prove.
     
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    Damage can be a cost, but edo regen will fix it.

    Yes anything can be called a cost, but in this case the cost for Izanagi is losing ones eyesight. Not damaging your eye until you go blind.



    That is the difference. You must trade the eyesight of one eye to perform the jutsu. It's not a form of damage. Use of MS techniques damage the eye.

    That is the difference.

    So when I say "cost" I am specifically not referring to damage.

    I really don't understand how you are having so much trouble with this.
     
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