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Full power tokoyomi[at night ] vs deku unrestricted

Discussion in 'My Hero Academia' started by sabre320, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    What are your thoughts on this matchup?
    Tokoyomi is at his peak at night whether this is in control or berserk, while deku is not holding back at all. Who wins?

    Scenario 1 muscular arc deku vs berserk tokoyomi that no diffd moonfish
    Scenario 2 Current characters
     
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    From what I've seen full power deku would speedblitz and blow Tokoyami away.
     
  3. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    Physical attacks actually seem really ineffective against Night-Time Dark Shadow. Moonfish tried to pierce Dark Shadow with his quirk but it just went through him as if he was intangible and didn't seem to hurt him at all.

    And you can't "blow Tokoyami away" when he's inside of Dark Shadow as well as he's completely enveloped.
     
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    Tokoyami can out last him tbh. There's only so much 100% deku can do before completely breaking down.
     
  5. Mr. Black Leg The Ordeal of Love

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    > Dark Shadow resisted Moonfish
    > Therefore, he clearly can resist All Might level of power

    If Deku is unrestricted and goes for blood, he punches once with a 1000% Detroit Smash and only fucks up one of his arms. This isn't even a battle. Now if it's only Deku at 100% maybe he'll have to fire more than one but I really don't think that even Night Time Dark Shadow Tokoyami can resist 100% for more than once.
     
  6. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    You’re missing my point. Dark Shadow doesn’t need to tank force. It can let the force go right through itself without being hurt. It’s like how a logia character from one piece can let attacks go through them.
     
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    YES IT FUCKING DOES NEED TO TANK WHEN THERE'S AN AIR RUSH IN THE FUCKING DIRECTION OF IT'S USER. The problem isn't harming or not harming the quirk but the fucking user.
     
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    But if Deku can't immediately reach the user or locate where the user is enveloped in the quirk then he'll just be wasting energy and hurting his limbs when he uses a powerful punch or kick on Dark Shadow.

    It's like how the students had trouble with landing any attacks on Kurogiri with his body hidden in his quirk during the USJ arc.
     
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    That's why I said Detroit Smash specifically. He's basically throwing a hurricane into Tokoyami. It has a large AoE and is very powerful. Deku doesn't have to land a finger on Tokoyami, Deku/All Might literally have both the best Physical DC(Punches, Kicks, etc) and the best DC in AoE DC in the series. Maybe rivaled by AFO's Air Canon but it was clear that it wasn't actually hurting All Might seriously, just giving him bruises. Maybe some day Whirlwind will catch up to OFA's DC in AoE with air blasts but anyway, I'm getting sidetracked, point is: Deku needs to attack in Tokoyami's general direction, as long as some part of it reaches Tokoyami he'll be brutalized by the air force.


    Kurogiri's example is VERY different. Kurogiri's Warp Gate is effectively part of his body and only part of his physical body needs to be there. Still, the same thing applies: if you attack with large AoE even Kurogiri will be hurt because there was a part of his body there somehwere.
     
  10. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    Can Deku actually pull off All Might's version of the Detroit Smash though?

    Having the power and knowing how to properly apply it to create a hurricane punch are two different things. Deku has only just started experimenting with Shockwaves against Gentle.
     
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    This is the type of shit that Deku needs zero training for and is the thing that is he is best at: fucking up his body while going all out. He needs to send a straight punch(To create the shockwave and the air pressure) with ALL of his might without holding back at all and using as much power at once as he can.

    Also, nope, he has experimenting with air since Chapter 10(Detroit Smash). Only difference now is that he's learning how to control it and learning how not to destroy everything on sight because well ... His job will be mostly in a urban environment and, well, as I said in another thread: All Might is always a slightly misdirected Detroit Smash away from creating a catastrophe inside a densely populated city in Japan and until Deku has fine control with not only the 5% Delaware Smash Air Force but with the 100% and 1000%, he'll not be as good as All Might. Oh and he only now has been experimenting with not getting his body trashed ... But both here are really not related, the setting says nothing about "Deku can't go all out", actually it says the contrary and Deku will just have to go all out once. After that Tokoyami will be dead.
     
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    I still don't recall Deku doing the same hurricane punch though. A simple air cannon/shockwave doesn't have as much range/AOE as the hurricane punch All Might did against the sludge villain. It would only cover a small portion of Night-time Dark Shadow (since Dark Shadow at night is much bigger in size than normal).
     
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    That's because Deku used his 1000% on a guy that was literally all over him. Not to mention that Deku's is insanely faster than Tokoyami and yes he would be able to get close enough. Also, Night Time Dark Shadow was always showing where Tokoyami was.

    Stop making excuses please, Deku has the firepower, the speed and the fucking will to do this shit. It would end rather fast if he's unrestricted.
     
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    So 100% Full Cowling Deku?

    In which case he stomps, hard.
    NONE of the students can fight him at that level, period.

    You'd need top level pro heroes to stand a chance.
     
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    Deku simply hits too fast and too hard for anyone else to stand up while being quite durable. Tokoyomi probably stands the best chance in that Dark Shadow can take a real beating if he was faster he might actually stand a chance. But as its now Dark Shadow is just going to keep getting hit while being unable to output any damage on Deku.


    The problem is no one in Deku's class can really trade blows with him cause no one has the right combination of speed, durability and power … at most anyone has two of those. The other option is too have range but while some have range none of them can fly and thus be out of range for Deku...yeah he can fire some air blasts but I rather be dodging those in the air then trading blows on the ground.
     
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