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Gai vs Deidara

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Bonly, Nov 9, 2018.

  1. Bonly Zero

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    Knowledge: Manga
    Distance: 10 Meters
    Location: Forest where Deidara went up against Team Gai and Team Seven
    Restrictions: 8th Gate, C0

    Scenario two: Distance is 20 Meters and they now have full knowledge while everything else is the same
     
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  2. King1 Pretty Flacko

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    Deidara wins, Gai have no way of harming him when he goes to the air, while Deidara can harm him or outlast him when he starts using gates. The bombs will eventually tag him when he is in base and he will die.

    C3 is on the table , as it was enough to level a town and Base Gai is not surviving it
     
  3. Bonly Zero

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    Asa Kujaku and Hirudora gives Gai range to hurt Deidara if he lands a hit so he's not completely helpless
     
  4. Marvel Banned

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    With that small of a distance and it be taken into consideration Gai would have knowledge on Dedaria from a mission report or what not...he'd most likely opt for the higher Gates and blitz right off the bat.
     
  5. 1yesman9 One of Sasori's Spies

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    6th gate won't blitz. If his match against Kisame is any evidence, he won't / cant go for a blitz on a sufficiently ranged target.
     
  6. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    Deidara stomps. He mentally reacted to Hebi Sasuke the fastest guy in the world known at that point in time, and possess the AOE, and explosive power to overpower Gai and the range to overcome Afternoon Tiger and Hirudora.
     
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    The distance is 10m that's not a sufficiently ranged target. Furthermore Kisame has demonstrated superior speed and reactions than the likes of Dedaria. So that's a false equivalence and a lack of reading comprehension bundled up into one scentence.

    Congratulations
     
  8. 1yesman9 One of Sasori's Spies

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    Wow your so smart. It becomes a sufficiently ranged target once Deidara goes airborne, which Gai can't stop with just the 6th gate. He's not leading with 7th gate when he didn't even do it against Kisame. Deidara can maintain a much higher range than Kisame so their relative reaction speed is irrelevant.
     
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    Asajaku or hirudora oneshots. Without the gates early on guy will lose though
     
  10. Braiyan Well-Known Member

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    Morning Peacock ends it once Gai busts it out. It covers a large area and has enough power to kill even as a ranged attack. He knows of Deidara's fighting style too so he is not likely to let him get airborne without problems. So the main issue would be getting to Deidara before he gets out of range. In the Gates Gai has the speed to pressure Deidara on the ground, and he has the option of making big jumps to close the distance as well (like he did against 30% Kiame), along with summoning his turtle to redirect himself in the air at least once.

    So if Gai considers Deidara's fighting style to be so problematic that he is better off keeping him on the ground, I see him going into Gates early. If Deidara can feint him successfully then maybe he could get airborne and pull off C3/C4 if he wants to survive. Otherwise Gai swats him out of the sky.
     
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    How does Gai know of Deidara's fighting style when the only thing he knew was that Deidara blew himself up after chasing and clashing with him for a panel or two when Deidara had no arms? Unless you're talking about scenario two upon which never mind
     
  12. Braiyan Well-Known Member

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    IIRC the Shinobi army were briefed on the Akatsuki's abilities at the start of the war since they were being brought back as Edos. I think that's also how Gai knew about the Rinnegan's abilities.
     
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    Nobody really knew who was going to be brought back via Edo Tensei until they saw them on the battlefield so it's unlikely that everyone in the army was briefed on the Akatsuki's powers when the majority of the members were dead by that point. I always figured that they knew of Pain's abilities since he attacked the village and everyone saw his abilities
     
  14. Braiyan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but in Deidara's case the army would know via Onoki that he was brought back, since they fought on the turtle island. Plus Omoi did know about the clay's weakness to Raiton.

    That's also possible, but Gai wasn't in the village for most of the fight and wouldn't have much of a reason to be briefed on the Rinnegan's abilities unless it was thought they would encounter them again.
     
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    Deidara should be able extend the distance with his C1 and from there he will try using his clay bird to take off, but given this location makes that very hard as Gai can use the trees to his advantage and prevent Deidara from getting above the top of the trees, at this point he would likely be at least at gate 5 as he will need to get away from the explosions (use it to move faster), to make it short... Gai should win more times then not with these circumstances (the location and distance) Deidara will have a hard time tracking his speed/skill, hes just not a close range fighter and with this location it kinda forces him to use that, now he could use clay clones which would likely end Gai, but I'm not sure if Gai would go out like that as he'll have gates activated at that point, even if Deidara gets in a futher range he haves 2 long range attacks that would surely put down if not totally end him, so I'll say Gai wins 7/10 times with these circumstances, if this was in an open area then I'd say Deidara wins
     
  16. Crow Akagami no Shanks

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    Deidara wins. Gai isn't the brightest shinobi ever, and we've seen how calculating Deidara can be when he isn't pissed off. Deidara takes to the sky immediately and drops bombs on him. He picks Gai apart with C4 which Gai has no counter to at all.
     
  17. SueVthrARtiST Jack Gourdon

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    why do both my favorite characters have to fight
    this is going to decided by who can stay in their preferred range for longer as gai will struggle getting close while deidara has to get away and deidara will have more chances for traps and breaking LoS and deidara has quicker reaction and eyesight but gai is quicker on his feet
    both are tanks who will fight through the heavy damage each one deals
    this is going to be extreme diff either way
     
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    Omoi knew that Raiton was the key against Deidara's clay (someone from the same village as Deidara) told him otherwise nobody was ever noted to have any special knowledge on Deidara.



    Pa told the entire village all the info he got about Pain and Kakashi was in the village fighting Pain so it's not much of a stretch to sa that Kakashi came up with counters to the Rinnegan jutsu and told Gai after they saw who they were fighting.
     
  19. PradyumnaR Konoha's Sublime Blue Beast Of Prey

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    Wtf is Gai doing to him if he goes airborne, which he will if given distance, Otherwise guy blitzes the shit out of him in gate 6 or 7 and creates an opening for a Hirudora or MP.
    If Hidan goes airborne Gai loses. But if gai prevents him from doing so somehow, he wins.
    Since this is an Akatsuki, Gai would go gated right off and blitz Diedera and end him. His AT and MP are too much for Diedera to handle. And he can use them as a fairly ranged attack too. Unless Diedera has the bird ready, Gai is getting him via speed.
     
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  20. SueVthrARtiST Jack Gourdon

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    you say morning peacock is too much but deidara is the same guy who had both his arms ripped off before in a fight and kept going he is a tank fighter
     
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    It is enough for him to knock Diedera out and leave him defenseless at the least. If it did that to shorten Kisame, who is a legit tank it can do it it Deidara.
    Diedera had to fight after his arm was ripped off because he had no other choice. He was thoroughly screwed and it was either fight or flight and he tried flight after his fight failed ( let us not forget that on one occasion). And when that almost failed too he tried to blow himself up. Any Ninja would do the same in that situation, it isn't special. They either have to fight to excape with their lives or get caught and I don't think I need to explain which option someone from the Akatsuki would chose. He got his arm ripped off before he could even do anythin. But people have lived before after getting amputated..But if they get hit by MP more than likely the due of blunt force trauma or get knocked out by it, leaving them open for the coupe de grace.
     
  22. Braiyan Well-Known Member

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    Ah, now I know why I remembered wrong. An older scan made it look like it was Omoi saying that. I concede on that point then. Same thing for Pain considering Kakashi and Gai had time to talk before joining the Jinchuriki fight.

    Gai should still know Deidara likes using bombs from a distance though. I checked back on those chapters and . Considering Deidara was taking clay from a bird at that moment I don't think it would be much of a stretch for Gai to figure out that the bird may be capable of flight and that may also factor into his fighting style.
     
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    Deidara managed to evade Gai and his entire team and swap with a suicide bombing clone that would have killed them were it not for Kakashi and his Kamui. Gai might've been exhausted then, but so was Deidara ontop of having no arms and no clay, while Gai at least had Neji to track him. I don't see Deidara not taking it here.

    Knowing about Hirudora and Asa Kujaka doesn't help Deidara much since they'll still kill him if launched in his general direction, but Gai knowing about Deidara's bombs will go a long way as far as not getting caught off guard goes. See Gai taking it here.
     
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    but he didn't try to blow himself up it was a planned clone feint which he is proficient in to an itachi kakashi level seeing as he caught a sharingan user multiple times
    and it's not just that they were ripped off it's his reaction to it if someone like sasuke or itachi had their arm ripped off mid fight it would stop them instantly but deidara didn't slow down for a second and in the split second where his arm was being torn off in one fight he came up with a multi step plan that could have garra if he wanted one attack isn't going to put him down and if he stays on the move gai will have trouble killing him while avoiding clone feints and hidden bombs but i still believe this will go extreme diff 50/50
     
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