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Gaiden Kakashi and Obito vs VOTE Naruto and Sasuke

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Grinningfox, Dec 6, 2018.

Who wins?

  1. Team Gaiden

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  1. Grinningfox Active Member

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    kakashi gets a 2T Sharingan

    Obito has Sharingan

    Gamabunta is restricted

    Sasuke starts in 2T
     
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    VOTE Thrashes.
     
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    Kakashi and Obito was able to fight and beat/kill said Jounin whereas Naruto and Sasuke are around the lvl of the sound four. Manga made it pretty clear that the Genin aren’t on the lvl of Jounins so the Sharingan duo would win more times then not
     
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  4. Soldierofficial Well-Known Member

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    Kakashi kills Sasuke then gets gets killed by 3 Tails Naruto then MS Obito kills Naruto with Susanoo and Kamui shuriken

    Nah but being serious Obito & Kakashi get humiliated by 1 Tail Naruto & CS2 Sasuke. They're outmatched in every way possible
     
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  6. Grinningfox Active Member

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    Naruto and Sasuke both did well against Gaara a Jinchuriki who was completing B- Rank missions by the time of the Chunin Exams
    Kakashi almost died in his first battle against Mahiru and had to be saved Minato. This happened while Kakashi was using his best attack.

    Kakashi then goes on to be greviously wounded by Taiseki which cost him his eye.

    He and Obito then take out Kakko temporarily but it obviously wasn’t enough because Kakko was back up and able to use a powerful Doton that killed Obito

    Kakashi then barely beat an injured Kakko
    Kakashi is not that impressive .
     
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    Kakashi was untrained with the chidori and used it while not having the sharingan which is why it almost got him killed.

    You are the OP and you gave Kakashi the sharingan, so now his use of chidori would have been just fine.

    These members you are speaking of fought Kakashi before he even had the sharingan as well. It seems you have forgotten much
     
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    Based on feats Naruto and Sasuke should trash them.

    Based on hype Kakashi & Obito should win more times than not at least. :hm
     
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    Vote kids beat Jinchuuriki who are above fodder Jounin in Gaiden.
    Vote team wins .
    Obito is the weakest link here.
     
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    I’m aware of the stipulations in my thread but the Kakashi you’re making excuses for was a Jonin as well. So if you’re using Jonin level GG as an argument it’s a pretty damn paltry one. This “ Jounin “ Level guy got shit on multiple times but him having the rank makes him superior to VOTE Naruto and Sasuke? Scaling Kakashi up is a mistake when in actuality him being “Jounin Level” at his skill level devalues the rank .
     
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    You entire argument was based on Kakashi BEFORE he had the sharingan implanted though? How does that even make sense?

    Kakashi was facing Jounin levels, yes he was losing more so than anything, that's true. But that makes no difference when his opponents here are Genin rank (although likely high chunin by skill) and he has the sharingan here rather than not having it....

    I don't think you have a point.
     
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    No my point is using him being Jounin as some definitive statement of superiority when he’s loosing EVERY DAMN FIGHT HE’S in againt Jounin is a dumbass argument.

    Kakashi having Sharingan isn’t a big edge IMO either as Sasuke has his own and Naruto’s fought a Sharingan used before .
     
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    1. Sharingan is a big edge unless you now think Base (no sharingan) P1 Sasuke is equal to or better than Jounin Level Kakashi (yes he was Jounin before even having the sharingan) - And yes rank does matter to an extent, especially when the rank separates them 2 ranks worth.
    2. Kakashi losing (or being on the losing end) to other Jounin makes no difference as not every shinobi in every rank are equal. (Asuma vs Kakashi for example - both were still Jounin in part 1).
    3. The idea that somehow a weaker Kakashi losing to stronger opponents than what he is facing here is connected to a stronger Kakashi facing weaker opponents is absurd and makes zero sense.
     
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    Naruto and Sasuke win. Kyuubi Naruto was faster than Sasuke with 2T could track and react to. Even with their measly 2T Sharingan, Naruto is going to blitz them both. And Sasuke's Chidori is going to be much faster than Kakashi's and Sasuke will have the advantage of being an actual Uchiha, CS2, and a higher grade of Sharingan. Obito's basically a non factor, cause he can't even beat gamabunta.
     
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    I think you have the impression that the Iwa Jounin completely outclassed No Sharingan Kid Kakashi. That isn't true. He could compete. Even before having the sharingan.

    Spoiler: Sense the presence of nearby Jounin

    Spoiler: Takes out 18 of the Iwa Jounin clones

    Spoiler: Sniffs out Iwa Jounin Camo ninjutsu

    Spoiler: Iwa Jounin impressed with Kakashi's closing speed
     
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    1: base pt1 VOTE Sasuke IS superior base Gaiden Kakashi by every virtue bar intellect and I challenge you to show me better feats. Rank doesn’t equal PL and it’s a shitty argument .
    2) Kakashi losing is one thing( Boruto is one of my faves and he looses ALL the time ) Kakashi almost dying two separate times on his having to be saved SHOWS he’s not cut out for the tier.
    3) Show me one superior feat that this Kakashi has. Go on, just one. Was it the time he got wrecked by Mahiru? Or the time Taiseki near blinded him? Or the time Obito had to save him from being killed by Kakko? Kakashi’s SINGULAR victory is barely defeating an injured , Kakko who’d just used a high level Doton technique. Face it he’s just not that good.
    4) Kakko isn’t superior to either of the VOTE Duo and you know it. He LOST to an injured Kakashi and a newly minted 2T Sharingan Obito. Either solo
     
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    Can you provide any canon reason to any of this.

    For starters. Why do you think the sharingan duo are getting blitzed?
     
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    Kakashi was covered by Minato if not he would’ve needed saving earlier.

    We’re using his sense of smell as contention now?
     
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    1. I did.. look up.
    2. Kakashi saved Obito before his sharingan awakened which costed him his eye. And used chidori before he ever knew he needed the sharingan to use it effectively in battle. Neither of these matter here.
    3. Any thing Kakashi did against Jounins is better than anything Sasuke or Naruto did (par Bunta against Gaara). How about you show me a feat that is impressive even to the likes of Jounin levels. Despite what you think, rank does have a purpose and does mean something.
    4. This your opinion. Literally you haven't presented anything that supports your argument. 90% of everything you say is opinionated and I'm not too far from leaving this debate because opinions mean next to nothing.
     
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    Not according to Soldierofficial :kobeha
     
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    How about you post something of significance. Im done hearing opinions. I present canon, you present nothing in return
     
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    I literally said it. Naruto blitzed a faster Sasuke when he only had 2T Sharingan and he was winning. It took Sasuke awakening 3T to get the edge on Naruto, but he literally couldn't react to Naruto's movement. Naruto, without PIS can summon Gamabunta and gamabunta can honestly solo this shit himself, Kakashi has nothing to take out a boss level summon, and neither does Obito. Sasuke with CS2 and 3T sharingan is gonna be on a whole different level as well.

    The gap between Naruto and Sasuke aren't that far, seeing that Kakashi was a newly minted Jonin, who was cocky and made rookie mistakes sometimes. Naruto and Sasuke are elite Chunin and Kakashi is scratching the bottom of the barrel as jonin, and Obito is a mid Chunin. They can take the fight with superior firepower, speed and Kyuubi honestly. KN1 Naruto was roaring at fireballs, which is like the only thing Obito does tbh, and he is faster than Kakashi.
     
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    1) no... you didn’t
    2) so Kakashi made rookie mistakes that would’ve gotten him killed? Gotcha
    3) a weaker Sasuke than the one who’s in this thread beat Gaara.. who’s FoD record is stated to be impossible for anyone below Jonin level ( chapter 58) . Gaara also took a B-Rank mission( ch 39) and has stealth rivaling Adult Kakashi’s. Sasuke kept pace with partially transformed Jin Gaara .
    4)feel free to take your BS out of my thread whenever you feel like it
     
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    Anyone who really believes that VotE Naruto and Sasuke are Jonin level and are able to fight and defeat Jonin level shinobi as did Gaiden Obito and Kakashi obviously has not understood the manga, any Jonin is much stronger than Kid Naruto and Kid Sasuke, these children dont have any feat or portrayal that makes us think that they are Jonin level, the reality is that they are High Chunin level, which is something amazing considering that they are Genin of 13 years that a year ago they were students at the academy, but compare them with Kid Kakashi is stupid, when the last one was already Chunin level at age 6, and at 13 he was already a Jonin, while Naruto and Sasuke are weak compared to Special Jonin as Genma and Raido.
     
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    He reads the manga...
    He must know.
    :hestonpls
     
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    Obtio's fests : Getting Ass kicked by Gai.. .
    Putting kunai in front of an invisible Ninja. Invisible by vision. With 2t.

    Sasuke's feats : Tracking a Ninja moving so fast who was invisible due to physical speed. Reacting to said Ninja with 2t. Beating a Jinchurikee, who beat another Jinchurikee.
    Naruto's feats : Beating up Haku....who was faster than anything obito ever did as a kid.
    Beating up a Jinchurikee who was never hurt in his entire life, including attempts by ANBU.

    Kakashi is the only dude who puts a fight. And he isn't doing much with his sharingan. It's minusbis more than the plus. He made a fighting style revolving around him not having a sharingan, and suddenly throwing one on him is not only going to drain him, it's also going to put him out of his element.
    Obito was a joke pretty much his entire Gaiden career. He was more interested in doing lover boy errands while Sasuke and Naruto were learning Chidori and Rasengan...
    Sasuke has 3T sharingan > Obitos 2t. He has more experience using it. So yeah.. Obito is the weakling who will Hinder the little chance Kakashi has.

    All this without Bunta....
    Once Bunta comes.... Good thing he's restricted..

    :hestonpls:hestonpls:hestonpls
     
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    Team Gaiden wins.

    Kakashi is above either with the sharingan
     
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    Make this 6 year old Kakashi and a couple years younger Obito to make it a fair fight.

    P1 Establishes very clearly that even 4 CS2 users could barely defeat 2 tired special Jounin. Do I see this pair of Jounin being more special than prodigy kid Kakashi who was rightfully promoted to Jounin, creating jutsu and leading missions? No.
     
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    Cool. Chunin lvl characters did good against another Chunin lvl character.




    Proof he would've died had it not been for Minato instead of him being injured?



    Yes Kakashi lost an eye saving Obito.



    Yes they beat up a Jounin and went to free Rin.



    There is nothing barely about it. They went to clash and Kakashi killed him.



    Seeing how you ignored the contexted for some of the above, it doesn't surprise me that you think such
     
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    You mean the Obito from a couple years before that got one shotted by kid Gai twice and kid Kakashi without Sharingan to even hope or dream of reacting to Orochimaru blitzing 1 Tail Naruto?
    :mikebatman
     
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