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Gengetsu vs Orochimaru

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by oiety, May 17, 2018.

  1. oiety So it goes, the Dark - led by it's Monarch

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    Location: Naruto vs Pain.
    Mindset: IC.
    Intent: To kill.
    Distance: 30 meters.
    Knowledge: Rep for both. "Dissapearing Clam Mizukage","Snake Sannin of the Sound".
    Restrictions: Edo Tensei.
    Stipulations: Gengetsu is alive, Orochimaru is in his zetsu body.
     
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  2. Silnaem Oh great, another epiphany

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    Pseudo-immortality GG

    The genjutsu is continuous and area based so heat sensing shouldn't work.
    Joki Buoy is fast so CQC ain't a threat
    The real him can hide in the shadows and wait to snipe with a water bullet

    However, none of that will kill Oro
    Additionally:
    - Water Bullet reveals his position
    - Joki Buoy gives the hint that he's not within its blast radius, as well as dissipating the mist
    - Oro has Wind Release (and assuming Lightning Release) powerful enough to dissipate Water Form

    So Oro either outlasts or finds and kills him with poisoned Kusanagi
     
  3. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    None of the shinobi alliance fodders realized his position despite him attacking them while the clam genjutsu was up.

    We saw something similar in Part 1 when that rain ninja in the forest of death lined up all his attacks with what his genjutsu was showing to stop Naruto's team from realizing the illusions were fake.
     
  4. Silnaem Oh great, another epiphany

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    Intelligence makes the difference, as well t did in part one
     
  5. Matto Chosen One

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    Orochimaru finds the clam with his heat-sensing snakes, then deals with the Mizukage with elemental ninjutsu or has his snakes eat him.

    Joki Boi is countered by snake shields, Rashoumon, and Oral Rebirth.

    Orochimaru wins.
     
  6. Maverick04 Well-Known Member

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    Gengetsu is superior to Orochimaru (without edo tensei) but he cant really kill the guy, whereas Oro has multiple ways to mutilate and incapacitate Gengetsu..Poisoning, Kusanagi blade, spamming an ocean of snakes each having a sword in its throat, Hydra and overwhelming with snake summons..But the problem comes for Orochimaru in the form of Joki Boy..He cant really stop that thing..It can explode indefinitely..He can just try and survive using Oral rebirth..Eventually the fight ends with both shinobis dead
     
  7. savior2005 Well-Known Member

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    Orochimaru high diff for reasons stated above.
     
  8. FlamingRain Living Legend Moderator

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    Orochimaru.

    Gengetsu can survive all of the types of damage Orochimaru has dished out on panel due to Suika no Jutsu (if it's actually like Suigetsu's), but Orochimaru can also survive all of Gengetsu's thanks to his enhanced durability and rebirth techniques. Orochimaru is straight up untouchable for Gengetsu if he summons Manda or uses Yamata no Jutsu, and Jōki Bōi leaves Gengetsu in a weakened state. The fact that Orochimaru's feats against Naruto came while he was using a body that was rejecting him already speaks volumes about his stamina when prime and ready to go, so if either ninja were going to win a battle of attrition it would be Orochimaru. Orochimaru might be able to finish the fight faster than that if we think about what he could do and not just what he's been shown doing. He can apparently use each of the Five Great Changes of Nature in battle so if he got a chance he could zap Gengetsu with a generic Raiton and cut him with the Kusanagi while he's solid.
     
  9. hbcaptain Well-Known Member

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    Orochimaru wins, infrared sensing organ can easily find the clam, Kusanagi can destroy it with ease, furtheremore, the sannin wasn't really preoccupied about Suigetsu's ability to liquefy when he was treatening him and the latter was in turn awfully scared of him despite having such an asset under his sleeve.
    Ad for the JB, the clone can be tanked with Rashomon and/or countered thanks to immortality related techniques.
    Overall, Orochimaru mid/high diffs.
     
  10. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    Gengetsu wins in my opinion because he toys with an above average Kage level character which makes me think that he's around High Kage tier.
     
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  11. Miserea Active Member

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    He wasn't afraid of Suigetsu because Suigetsu isn't Kage level. Suigetsu is afraid of him because Orochimaru is superior and he's traumatized by the experiments. Gengetsu's version of Suika is also unique because it mixes in oil, which makes it different than the one Orochimaru researched on.

    Gengetsu on the other hand is plenty capable of competing with Orochimaru and their peers. That said I feel like the match could go either way, it's going to be drawn out. Rashomon is a stationary defense most effective against projectiles with a fixed path, I don't think it's feasible to block Joki boi which moves around flexibly and can continue exploding infinitely. and those explosions required the Karura structure to safely guard rather than a regular wall of sand. Orochimaru himself has never been shown to be notably fast for his rank either, most of his mileage comes from psuedo immortality. So it's going to depend on if he can oneshot Gengetsu's real body before Joki wears him out via oral rebirthing.

    I'm also bit iffy on whether heat sensing would work, as traditional sensing methods sans making physical contact like what Gaara with the sand did were mentioned to not work, and clams are cold blooded. So it's body temperature would be the same as it's environment.
     
  12. Architect of the Works of Beauty

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    Gengetsu blows Oro with Joki Boy. That's it.
     
  13. Takaya Well-Known Member

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    Gengetsu was good enough to be a continued enemy to Mu until they got a mutual-kill, and Mu's a sensor with Jinton. He just might be able to handle Orochimaru, if he was in the mood to fight for real as opposed to not really wanting to win as with ET point.

    Even if Orochimaru won, it'd be very, very difficult for him. And he might Oral Rebirth himself into total chakra exhaustion along the way...
     
  14. Alita54 Alita>You

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    Gengetsu mid diff at most. He's high kage tier considering what it took to beat him while orochi is just mid kage at most without ET imo.
     
  15. Bonly The Yellow Flash

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    Orochi would win more times then not as Gengetsu doesn’t have anything to put Orochi down for good whereas Orochi can find him and Orochi can kill the French Dude
     
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