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George Soros-Founded University Is Forced Out of Hungary

Discussion in 'The NF Café' started by Saishin, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Saishin Hajimemashite

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    Central European University, founded in Hungary after the collapse of the Soviet Union to champion the principles of democracy and free societies, announced on Monday that it was being forced from its campus in Budapest by the increasingly authoritarian government of Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

    The closing of the university, founded by the American billionaire George Soros, came after a nearly two-year struggle with the Orban government, which has quashed dissent and consolidated control over all aspects of Hungarian life. The university will move its United States-accredited degree programs to Vienna in September.

    “C.E.U. has been forced out,” said Michael Ignatieff, the president of the university. “This is unprecedented. A U.S. institution has been driven out of a country that is a NATO ally. A European institution has been ousted from a member state of the E.U.”

    It had been clear for months that the institution , but Western officials and supporters of the university had hoped to find a last-minute compromise. The university said that effort had failed.

    Thousands had marched in support of the institution, and for the past week hundreds of people have occupied Kossuth Square on the banks of the Danube, where the Parliament building is situated. Many held signs directed at Mr. Orban. “Even Voldemort didn’t kick Hogwarts out,” one placard read.

    Piret Karro, a 27-year-old from Estonia who came to Budapest to get a master’s degree in gender studies, learned that Mr. Orban banned the subject this year. She said that while the university would survive in Vienna, she worried what the move meant for academic freedom in Hungary more broadly.

    “Other academic institutions in Hungary will still have to deal with Viktor Orban curbing free speech and eliminating critical thinkers,” she said.

    Mr. Orban has long viewed the school as a bastion of liberalism, presenting a threat to his vision of creating an “ ,” and his desire to shut it down was only deepened by its association with Mr. Soros, a philanthropist who was born in Hungary.

    Mr. Orban has spent years Mr. Soros, a Jew who survived the Nazi occupation of Hungary, accusing him of seeking to destroy European civilization by promoting illegal immigration, and often tapping into anti-Semitic tropes.

    In April 2017, Mr. Orban’s party pushed through legislation that appeared to be aimed at the university. Among other things, it required that colleges must have campuses in their native countries.

    To be in compliance, C.E.U. formed a partnership with Bard College in New York, but Mr. Orban’s government said that did not satisfy the requirement. The law prohibits the university from accepting new students after the end of this year, and C.E.U. plans to wind down its operations in Budapest over several months.

    “Arbitrary eviction of a reputable university is a flagrant violation of academic freedom,” the university said in a statement. “It is a dark day for Europe and a dark day for Hungary.”

    For years, Mr. Orban was able to consolidate power without recrimination from , but that may be changing. The law targeting C.E.U. was one of a host of reasons that the European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union, decided to that could see Hungary lose its voting rights in the bloc.

    He has steadily , stacking the Constitutional Court with loyalists and stifling debate through his now near-total control over the news media.

    Mr. Orban has also created a hostile environment for nongovernmental organizations like Mr. Soros’s Open Society Foundations, which this year. Most notably, to help undocumented immigrants seek citizenship — legislation that was called the “Stop Soros” bill.

    But unlike his hard-line stance on immigration — which has found support across the Continent — Mr. Orban’s targeting of the university has been met with broad condemnation.

    Scores of influential politicians across Europe graduated from the university, and it has received bipartisan support in Washington.

    In recent weeks, support poured in from around the world, from the Office of the Governor of New York to the leaders of numerous universities. More than two dozen Nobel laureates asked the Hungarian government to change course.

    In October, the American ambassador to Hungary, David B. Cornstein, said that keeping the university open in Budapest “remains a priority for the U.S. government and has overwhelming bipartisan support in the United States.”

    However, in an interview with The Washington Post last week, the ambassador, appointed by President Trump, seemed to react with something of a shrug to the failure to find a solution.

    Mr. Cornstein, who early in his career owned a fine-jewelry business at a Long Island JC Penney store, compared the university’s situation to his own experience.

    “I was a guest in another guy’s store,” he said. “The university is in another country. It would pay to work with the government.”

    But for many others, Mr. Orban’s attack on C.E.U. is further proof that Mr. Orban presents a threat to the foundations of a free society, open debate and dialogue.

    “It’s a very sad day for academic freedom in Europe, particularly in Hungary, of course, but all of Europe,” said Judith Sargentini, a Dutch politician and member of the European Parliament who belongs to the European Green Party.

    “If a European government can actually bully a university out of its country,” she continued, “and the others stand by and watch and don’t act, and I am particularly pointing at the other member states that have not been acting on things happening in Hungary for years now, we are in deep trouble.”

     
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    This is awkward. What should the EU do with Orban? Maybe the EU council can move on with article 7, as it has already done with Poland.

    The Parliament had already voted in favour of that. If 80% of the Council agrees, they can issue some recommendations to Hungary.
     
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    Eastern Europe continues to be Eastern Europe.

    I thought they already invoked Article 7 on Hungary?
     
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    The parliament voted but the member-states' leaders have to approve it at the Council of the EU.

    Below is the process according to the treaty:

    Article 7.1: The mechanism begins with a proposal to find a "Clear Risk of Serious Breach" of EU values either by the Commission, the Parliament or one-third of member states. This is then approved by a two-thirds majority in Parliament. The accused country is then called to answer to the European Council, which may then issue recommendations and vote by four-fifths to identify a breach.
     
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    So this guy is a dictator wanna be?
     
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    lol I remember the leaders debate Layton vs Iggy vs Former PM Harper
     
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    People should have no reason to trust a guy who cheated the British taxpayers of 1 billion pound by betting against their currency

     
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    How do you create an "illiberal" democracy? :confusedjr

    Democracy by definition allows for the expression of all views. Else you have a communist country that's democratic only in name.
     
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    look at Western Europe today that become where you cant point out problems because that would be considered "racist"
     
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    voldemort would have destroyed hogwarts if he couldn't take control it.
     
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    While I don't completely disagree with you here, I'm not sure how that's relevant?
     
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    Lefties push for thought policing
     
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    Whataboutism.
     
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    Orban is great, stay mad EU, soon you'll fall like the USSR did.
     
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    No more than Macron, May, Merkel and co. This guy at least puts his country first.
     
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    Who will then put his country as a puppet of USA, China or India.

    That's the way the world works. Be part of the hyper powers or bend over and take it with a rusted drill by the super powers.

    Anyone who is after the death of EU are for their country and their people to become the latter, when unifying they can be the top of the former.
     
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    right now the left is in power and they are the ones who push for censorship
     
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    I mean, let's actually focus on this and not ignore it just cause Junta posted it and peope like to make fun of him/her.

    I'm just gonna say I don't really trust a university if it's being politically pushed by a man who looks like Emperor Palpatine.
     
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    Did you even read the links before you made this post?
     
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    Um...no they aren't. Most western European countries are government by right wing parties.

    For the UK its the conservatives

    For the Netherlands its the liberal VVD (Liberal in the correct sense of the word instead of the american one)

    Germany has the Christian Democrats in power.

    En Marche defines himself as a centrist party but lean more right wing when it comes to economic

    Italy is populist paradise.

    Where are those mythical left wing parties that dominate Europe? I'm not seeing them.
     
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    Oh? I didn't know Macron, May and Merkel were silencing the press and setting up their own pseudo dictatorships. Must be weird though for Merkel to set up a dictatorship only to resign when its complete. and how strange that May the all powerful dictator is widely sabotages by her own government and can be taken hostage by the Brexiteers.
     
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    The left does kinda silence the right, aren't we witnessing this in the present? What use does your press have when instead of reporting reality they shove their opinions down your throat. It's just tax money being wasted.

    Anyway, point is that anything non-left is far-right to you guys, and you can only bully them despite being elected by the people.
     
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    No, no non left does not mean far right. Far Right means far right.

    Merkel is Right wing

    May and Cameron are Right wing

    Rutte is Right wing

    Macron is probably right wing.

    Heck Obama seems awfully right wing compared to most European left wing leaders

    No one had or has a problem with Right wing leaders being Right wing. Its when they move to the far right and start acting like a demagogue that things become problematic.

    Amusingly I think its the populists voters who wish for the media to report a fantasy land where the populist is always right or on par with their opponent. Are they supposed to look at a chaotic white house and tell everyone its just going fine and dandy? Reporting the news also means reporting the populist screw ups. And what's this about tax payers? Most media stations are private companies.

    And why is being elected by the people a shield that only populist leaders can wield? Merkel is elected by the people and is still demonized by the populists as are all her peers. aren't the elected by the holy people too? So why is only the populist legitimized by the people?
     
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    I know about this, and I said people should focus on it and not ignore it like they seemed to be because they personally dislike you.

    Why are you questioning me now, again ?
     
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    conservatives are in power but lefties/sjws organizations and interest groups have a lot of influence in politics. Go google meta-politics

    no she is not. She made the CDU a party of the "Middle", means she shifted it to the left. She always took political views from other parties like Social Democrats and integrated it into the CDU. Al lot of political commentators made fun of her like Volker Pispers.

    how right wing are they if they allow Muslim terrorists to foster in their countries?

    what you call demagogues was the standard 20 years ago and still is in countries like Japan
    Helmut Kohl, the last chancellor of CDU, tried to send back the Turks


    Japan and South Korea work fine. Europe 20 years ago worked better than it is working now. Today`s conservatives try to appeal to lefties to get their votes

    those people get what they vote for

    sorry i misread your post
     
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    Can someone info dump(personal opinions are welcome) me on Soros, this guy had tried to intervene in our countries politics as well. Thanks to 2016 election he had to divert his investment back to America, God Bless Trump he has been good for us so far.
     
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    Soros funds some political causes which makes some people assume that he's secretly the shadow ruler of the entire world who has all the governments of this planet as his devoted puppets. As if he's the only one who funds political causes.
     
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    Good for you so far? He's the worst president the US had that I can recall :wha
     
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    Such groups exists on both the left and the right, and the lack of left wing governments seems an implication that those special influence group aren't nearly as influential as their opponents fear.

    And yet she's still quintessentially Christian Democrat. Socially(voted against gay marriage) and economically conservative with her core beliefs stemming from her Christian upbringing.

    Demagogues have always existed yeah. As far back as Rome we got people shockingly similar to the current populists. But this doesn't make them good. And being anti immigration and being a demagogue aren't exactly the same thing. You can be anti immigration and not deny the legitimacy of everyone but yourself, you can be anti migration without demonizing the media or the courts and you can be immigration without plotting the downfall of the EU.

    Japan is in pretty significant decline for a while now and their inability to keep prime ministers for longer than a week suggests some amount of political instability. And I don't really agree that conservatives try to appeal to left wing voters because I don't see populists as typical conservatives. The populists are their own breed and their growing prominent makes the whole left vs right pretty outdated. Its politician vs demagogues now. I do agree that Europe was more stable 20 years ago since we didn't have populist constantly faming the flames and trying to make the continents decline irreversible.

    Everyone gets what they vote for. But if lots of people vote for populists what they get for their vote is the ruin of their nations and the end of their independence.
     
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