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Gilthunder(NnT) vs. Byakuya(Bleach)

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Lord Valgaav, Oct 10, 2018.

  1. Lord Valgaav Atomic Sables!

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    Scenario 1: part 1 Gilthunder vs. HM Byakuya

    Scenario 2: current Gilthunder vs. 1st Sternritter Invasion Byakuya
     
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    Byakuya both rounds. Should have overall superior stats and Senbonzakura is too versatile.
     
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    How is Byakuya gonna contend with someone who's city level physically in round 1?
     
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    Hes city level, he could hurt Yammy and managed to kill him with Zaraki
     
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    That's from Lanza scaling right, what was the yield for that?
     
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    He gets no scaling from Lanza and only arguably CO.

    I don't see how he's beating Gilthunder in any scenario.
     
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    Hes > at least R1 Ulq, scaling to Lanza is only arguable due to R2 being ambiguously above R1
     
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    Yammy sensed R2 Ulquiorra (he could tell when he died) and still said that he was stronger than him, Ichigo doesn't deny this or give any indication that Yammy is just full of shit. :maybe
     
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    Which was a terrible move by Kubo considering how that turned out. ;33
     
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    He calls Ulq trash because he died, i dont recall him saying hes stronger
     
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    He straight up says he's stronger than all of the Espada Ichigo's fought before (specifically mentioning Grimmjow, Nnoitra and Ulquiorra when he does) and Ichigo doesn't call him out on being wrong about it.
     
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    Oh i read your original post wrong, i thought you said Ulq was stronger :skully

    So he should scale to lanza
     
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    Gilthunder loses to screentime
     
  14. WorldsStrongest The wait is Over

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    How and why would Ichigo call him out on it when its a running gag that Ichigo has the sensory capability of a fucking teaspoon?

    JS that just cuz Ichigo doesn't question the validity of Yammy's boasts, that doesn't make Yammy's boasts accurate.
     
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    What, Ichigo is a fucking expert sensor. Theres no running gag
     
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    Kay...

    I cant tell if youre fucking with me, or if its actually been THAT long since ive watched Bleach that Ive actually started to misremember shit...
     
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    1. He can still tell how strong someone is by sensing their reiatsu, what he's shit at is being able to locate it especially when it's lower than his own or being hidden (and even that is only really at the start of the series)
    2. Even if he couldn't do that, he still fought Grimmjow, Nnoitra and Ulquorra and would be able to compare their strength to Yammy's because that's just common sense.
    So yes, the fact that he doesn't call bullshit or in anyway doubt Yammy's claim does add a lot of weight to its validity.
     
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    Dude could see spirit ribbons by the first arc, which is considered an advanced sensing technique in Bleach (even if Kubo dropped that shit like a hot potato and never mentioned it again)
     
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    Welp option number 2 it is then

    Its been that long since ive seen Bleach that I cant recall shit in awesome detail

    Good to know
     
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    Yammy being the strongest Espada is such a retarded notion. I bet Kubo thought his little " It's not 10 to 1, it's actually 9 to 0 " shenanigan was clever.
    Yammy's performance wasn't convincing either.
    Fucking hack.
     
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    With the additional information from the last arc that Kenpachi got a massive power boost from the Nnoitra fight (and the fact Byakuya didn't really do that much) it makes SOME SENSE.

    It's still stupid especially because it needed to be explained later but unfortunately, that's how it happened.
     
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    >Tanked Masked Getsuga and all it did was lightly scratch his neck. Ichigo even with 50% reiatsu was still compared to captains in his base state.
    >Sent Ichigo flying with just Bala and was about to squeeze the life out of him with grip strength alone.
    >Forced 2 captains to fight all out and still fucked their shit up, including Zaraki who scaled to his enemies. The other Espada got one captain at best to use their Bankai.

    Not saying Yammy isn't a jobber, but he put in work. The stupid part was that the "0-9" meme was a thing at all and that the fight was off-paneled.
     
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    Didn't Zommari survive a direct strike from Byakuya's bankai in the exact same arc? :skully
     
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    1. He survived it barely yeah, then promptly got his head taken off by a casual swing of Byakuya's sword.
    2. Byakuya himself admits his bankai's standard form has relatively weak destructive power power anyway as it's mostly a defensive weapon (the point of the cage of swords mode is to trade defence for offence). This is why Renji, Ichigo and Zommari all survive full onslaughts of Byakuya's bankai.
    3. He doesn't do much damage to Yammy at all, certainly not comparable to what Kenpachi does to Yammy.
     
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    The point of Senkei is to condense the blades to explosively increase its power, he says thats the form he uses when hes deadset on killing someone
     
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    Is Gil's triple digit megaton calc any good?
     
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    Ulq even in his first release stage was shitting all over masked Ichigo. So if Byakuya is comparable to Yammy, who in turn is supposedly stronger than stage 2 Ulq, that means that Byakuya is >>>>> that version of Ichigo.

    In other words, Byakuya went from being equal to Bankai Ichigo to shitting all over masked Bankai Ichigo in between those two arcs.
    And they say Dragon Ball has BS power jumps :gokuskully
     
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    The power jumps in Bleach aren't that bad looking back. We know Zaraki's power was being suppressed the entire time, and only increased from near death encounters. We also know that Byakuya had Elite level shinigami potential. Both of them were a lot weaker in the SS arc because of all the peaceful years. People just seem to underestimate their rate of growth.
     
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    Except the SS arc clearly established most Soul Reapers, including the elite ones, get stronger at a very slow rate.
    • It taking 10 years to learn bankai and another 10 to master it
    • Soi Fon training for 100 years straight but still being dog shit to Yoruichi who did literally nothing for all that time
    And even if that weren't the case, the idea of Byakuya jumping several tiers over the course of a month of two of training at most, is complete and utter nonsense no matter how you look at it.

    Same for Hitsugaya going from struggling with a fraccion to surviving against one of the strongest Espada on his own, hell he was getting stomped by a much weaker espada just weaks before. :notrust

    No Bleach power jumps are absolutely that bad.
     
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