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God-Levels, even when compared to Otsutsuki?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Ultra Instinct Senjutsu, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. Ultra Instinct Senjutsu Mo-Kage, Mo-Problems

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    What I mean is, Naruto/Bee's chakra was like a beacon to the O'clan, this is because of how strong they are chakra wise, especially being the 8/9-Tails hosts.
    Now obviously we see Naruto go head-head against Momo, and we are told by Sasuke, Naruto was holding back, whereas Bee would likely have gotten bodied pretty bad if he didn't slip out.
    Granted with Momo transformed, Naruto may have lost solo if he wasn't going for blood.

    This being the case, we know Madara, Hagoromo and Kaguya both had the totality of the 10-tails, which is significantly more than the 9-tails, AND Hag/Madara also had sage mode stacked on top, with Hags being much stronger, and his half O'clan heritage.
    Let's remember, Hagoromo and Madara both had Sharingan progressed to Rinnegan naturally, which is like yellow M&Ms to the O'clan.
    We even have to consider Hashirama, as he had almost all the tailed beats "controlled" and had the power to do so, on top of his sage mode.



    ** If the O'Clan arrived sooner, be it while Hagoromo was at his peak, or when Madara was at the culmination of his full power, would the O'clan have seen them as significantly stronger than themselves, or even feared their power?

    ** Who would have had the best chance to fight them off and why?

    ** Do people actually sleep on how strong Madara & Hagoromo could/actually are, or have been if they prepped/trained for combat with their full powers?

    ** When would be the Best/Worst time for the O'clan to arrive, when thinking about the resistance they'd face?

    ** Would Kaguya even stand a chance?

    ** Would Hashirama be a threat to a single O'clan member? What if he had EMS Madara's assistance?

    ** Did Earths Shinju tree produce that much power, that it resulted in making a legitimate god out of whoever ate/controlled it, even when compared to "normal" gods?


    *Hagoromo would have likely had Hamura's help, be it with/without the Tenseigan
    *Madara may have gotten Naruto/Sasuke/Hashirama help
    *Maybe Kaguya would get Naruto/Sasuke help after she emerged from Madara and explained quickly

    *Obviously just the O'clan we have seen thus far and how they reacted to the power they came into contact with
     
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  2. Reviewing Witches Peekaboo I see you! ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

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    Going to be honest with you.

    Momo is a lowclass, he wasn't informed of the events on Earth until Kinshiki found out himself. He is like Kaguya who are gatherers and likely not part of the main family.

    The main family though via Urashiki apparently was always monitoring Earth and even had ample time to attack when power houses were absent/dead, yet the didn't and still really don't care since they allowed Momo to harness the planet for its chakra by himself.

    The fact that there are rules for levels of fruit being reported means that said fruits have existed BEFORE Kaguya and her fruit drama for it to be an already established rule.

    Even post Momo fight, Urashiki the said scout was talking about the Jougan and not anything about the chakra of the planet or whatever in being a potential threat.


    Idk what they are up to or what they are planning but Kaguya who had the complete 10 tails (even before her children's births) was overly scared of the main family to the point that she started manufacturing an army, let alone we learnt via Momo that the chakra tree is something that the O clan themselves plant on a planet and it isn't present there before said seeding so there might even be the factor of them even being the one's that created it.

    Basically if you think about it they should be way stronger, it is up to the writers though if they feel they could handle the task even doing so or like Madara they would have to find a hax nerf so that Sasuke and Naruto could compete.
     
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    Momo and Kin are essentially the Vegeta and Nappa of the Ōtsusuki I safely assume their power levels aren’t top tier in the clan.
     
  4. Kras Lee Well-Known Member

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    the strongest one to fight vs the otsutsuki especially momoshiki,kinshiki and urashiki would be might gai 8th gate ofc
     
  5. jonnty6 "I'm killing you cause I can"

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    Im tellin ya'll there is a Otsutusuki Galactus out there just waiting to be revealed.
     
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  6. Lord Valgaav Atomic Sables!

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    Will Hinata be the Naruto-equivalent to the Phonenix? :maybe
     
  7. Ultra Instinct Senjutsu Mo-Kage, Mo-Problems

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    I think its safe to say if any of the O'clan arrived during Hagoromo's time, Hag would handle them all just fine, considering the Bijuu's, Susano'o, Rinnegan's, Sage Mode, etc, not to mention a Tenseigan wielding brother.

    It would be a great story if they arrived during one of Madara & Hashirama's battles, 2v2 that would have been a solid match imo.
    Hashi could keep Momo busy and against the wall, if not restrained with wood release clones & Buddha statue, and Madara would Susano'o Kinshiki in half.


    I agree they may be considered low-class, and may be nothing compared to the next O'clan member to make the trip to Earth. Especially with Earths level of curvature.

    I must have missed where Urashiki was specific about what they knew, seemed like they were only paying attention once Kaguya started flexing her dimension hopping muscles, or Toneri once he put his plan into motion.
    But if this is true, and they are constantly watching, it makes me wonder what is keeping them away, you'd think after seeing a few members of your clan get put down, you'd assume those beings are kinda strong and shouldn't be allowed to continue building strength?

    I for sure see this being a point down the road, so O'clan member who has had several Shinju's above 16 curvature, and is either covered in Rinnegan/Dojutsu, or has some new form(s) of them.
    Maybe there is a Father of All Otsutsuki, a King, or another form of ruler that's purely based off of their base chakra levels, which would be obscene, especially if O'clan members live as long as they consume chakra and casually absorb Shinju's without much difficulty.
     
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    Hashirama would probably threaten in terms of power due to his Gracious Deity Gates that restrained a Jubi Jinchuuriki and Shinshuusenju that busted Full Kurama enhanced PS. Speedwise they are on a different stratosphere tho. I don't think he could physically react but mentally he sure could-to thier assaults.

    Perfect Susanoo Madara could also likely beat them as his blade could almost chop through all things in the universe.
     
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    So Vegeta is not a top tier character? This is not a great comparisson.
     
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    Sayian saga Vegeta compared Zarbon, Dodoria The Ginyu Force and of course Freeza himself was trash.
     
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    another factor here is the Otsutsuki LAW

    the one that states an Otsutsuki can't kill another Otsutsuki... was that law made to regulate Karam? idk but Kaguya clealry knew this law and knew that even though she was betraying the clan the O clan wouldn't try to kill her but maybe like Toneri sentence her to a time freeze.

    Yet she still tried to make an army and tried her best to fight against them when they wouldn't fight with the intent to kill




    people really need to get off the assumption of Earth being the biggest in chakra tree power or any other abilities

    the also knew the events of THE LAST, know of Hinata and Hanabi and their eyes yet never went after said pure eyes even though it with their charka would make the tenseigan

    meaning that they likely have the tenseigan as well like Hamura (unlike Toneri who was a borrowed power and maybe not even complete)
     
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    You should have said Raditz and Nappa. Vegeta was an elite with a power level of 18000. I know that is weak by today's god tier standards, but that is still stronger than most of the Saiyans that lived on planet Vegeta. Super Saiyans were so rare that they were thought of as a legend.
     
  13. jonnty6 "I'm killing you cause I can"

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    If you think about it, otsutsuki eat eachother right? What if one got alil TOO greedy? This otsutsuki was a prodigy or a legit king like you said with a body capable of consuming more than one other otsutsuki and ate like most of the main family in the past. Then this being orders guys like Kaguya and momoshiki to go harvest more planets and little do they know the chakra absorbed through the tree is actually being siphoned to this Otsutsuki galactus dude giving him eternal life and chakra through all these 1000's years.
    He learns of the tree process being thwarted on earth from Urashiki or something twice and he goes straight thanos on muhfuckas aka "Fine......I'll do it myself :evil"
     
  14. Ultra Instinct Senjutsu Mo-Kage, Mo-Problems

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    Won't even lie, I would love something similar to that, and if the O'clan has rules, somebody had to make those rules, and be able to enforce them unquestionably, so somebody has to have some ungodly power.

    If there was a Galactus type O'clan member, it could be a sweet way to segway into telling us how many O'clan members there really are/was, and if there may be not many of them left, which is why they aren't permitted to kill another Clan member. (except Momo can eat someone and it be OK?)
    Like, what if we discover Kara is a bunch of alien survivors who hunt O'clan members to gain their seals, or vise versa, and Kara are hiding from them?


    Would it be a decent plot idea to say Momoshiki was the son of whomever leads the O'clan or is related in some way, and that's why he is so arrogant towards Urashiki/everyone, and has Kinshiki as an attendant?
    Seems to me like Momo was royalty in some way, the same way as Vegeta was maybe, and Nappa was his Kinshiki.
    Hell, maybe Raditz was their Urashiki ;33


    Guess we know where the idea's of super powerful aliens battling it out with special powers came from...
     
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    I do not see the rest of Otsutsuki being THAT strong since I doubt they will make Naruto and Sasuke look like helpless toddlers. And that is how Naruto and Sasuke would look if facing an opponent dozen of times stronger than Fused Momo.

    It is doubtful that Boruto himself would solo them so it would require more characters capable of that. And Kawaki might stay an antagonist till the last arc or so. So would it mean Salad, Mitsuki and maybe Shikadai would all surpass Naruto and Sasuke by a loooooot to be able to kill those guys? And how early would it need to happen? 5 arcs before the end?
     
  16. Ultra Instinct Senjutsu Mo-Kage, Mo-Problems

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    I see where you're coming from, but we probably have a few questions to ask ourselves before not believing the power ceiling can get much higher for villains.

    Do O'clan members care about personally getting more powerful, or just collecting power for the clan as a whole, basically Chakra Socialism?
    Naturally you'd say yes, but why don't any of them we have seen posses a Tenseigan that we have seen? The biggest weapon we have seen thus far, is Urashiki's Rinnegan.

    As far as power goes though, Naruto is probably stronger than sasuke by a fair margin, and strictly speaking chakra, naruto only has the 9, of what used to be the 10 tails.
    Assuming we will see at least an O'clan member wielding 1-2, maybe 3 level 16 chakra fruit or more.

    Technically, Naruto and Sasuke SHOULD get bodied pretty easily one legit god O'clan members show up.
    At least their chakra/dojutsu stolen
     
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  17. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    So Naruto and Sasuke get bodied, their chakra stolen to empower the Otsutsuki that beats him...and then what?

    Boruto solos said guy that beat those 2 who is now even stronger? And that is without counting that in such scenario there would be probably more O clan guys than just that one O clan dude?

    With Boruto right now unable to defeat on his own a crippled Jounin like Ao?

    So does the story end right there with the O clan dude calmly harvesting a Senju tree after killing on Earth. The End?

    Its like as if Freeza attacked Earth in the DB era when Goku was fighting the Red Ribbon Army.

    I do not see such disproportion in power between the heros and the villains. For the sake of balance the villains are hardly ever that much stronger than the good guys.
     
  18. BlinkST All is well in the kingdom

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    “God-level”

    :catskully
     
  19. Zensuki Sasuke > your fav

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    The only "god level" character in Naruto was Kaguya and she wasn't even a god, just someone who consumed a byproduct of a god like entity.

    Kaguya easily stomps Momo/any of the Otsutsuki's shown. A weakened Adult Naruto and Sasuke easily dispatched of Momo, and Sasuke was singlehandedly beating Kinshiki without even using a lot of his other ninjutsu moves.

    The ranking prob goes:

    Kaguya > Hagoromo > JJ Madara > Momo + Kinshiki > Indra, Asura, Naruto, Sasuke > individual Otsutsukis
     
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    your ranking is filled with O clan members and ONLY O clan members lol

    yes Naruto/Sasuke/Madara are all O clan more then whatever clan they foolishly pretended to represent as Incarnates

    this is turning into a family affair with earthlings being held hostage
     
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  21. BlinkST All is well in the kingdom

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    None of the characters were "God-level", because there is actually a concept of God in the Narutoverse. Konan after all, was modeled after an angel. The very names that people give to their jutsu, at least implies a belief in gods and numerous religions e.g. "Kamui" literally meaning "might/ authority of the gods".

    Hagoromo had also alluded to the existence of various gods when thanking Kakashi for guiding team 7 — possibly a nod to Obito's assistance and the very name of Kamui. However, Kishimoto ultimately never explored concept of God or gods in the story.


     
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    Overall, you're probably right.
    But there's an easy way to write out of each problem you named, most could be solved with whatever would happen when Boruto masters his seal & dojutsu, especially as this is the FIRST time we have seen this eye, and we all remember how OP the Rinnegan was when it was first introduced and split 6 ways.
    Plus, he will likely need to meet an O'clan member on some sort of peaceful terms to teach him how to even use it, and that would likely be similar to Naruto going away to learn Sage Mode.
    Heck, it's probably possible that if the seal gives him Momo's powers, or something akin to it, maybe HE could get the ability to grow his own shinju tree on another world and get a boost from that.

    I could see this working out, but I won't expect a serious "out for blood" ranking, until Sasuke uses his godamn Rinnegan to fix his arm and give him the ability to use all the jutsu he knows.

    Do we know for sure Kaguya was stronger than Hagoromo at his peak though?
    It's my understanding that he had sage mode, on top of his Byakugan-Sharingan-Rinnegan, on top of the 10 tails jin, on top of being half Otsutsuki, and whatever else I forgot because he had it all.
    Plus, he had that special summoning "Help-me-Hamura".




    This is an insult to me, and the one and only savior above all, Lord Jashin.
    There's also one of my favorite moves that kinda makes you think of gods:

    Also-Also, there's that demon dude you see while hearing how to attain the Eternal Mangekyo?
     
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    Momoshiki even while fused was an insect power wise compared to Kaguya, she's far stronger than every member of her clan.

    Non Jin Hagoromo is enough to stomp every Otsutsuki shown so far, let alone his JJ version.

    JJ Madara would comfortably defeat Fused Momo and the rest of the clan as well.

    Kaguya>JJ Hago>JJ Madara>Fused Momo>Naruto/Sasuke>Indra/Ashura>JJ Obito>Toneri>Kinshiki
     
  24. Zensuki Sasuke > your fav

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    Honestly the closest thing to a god we got was this:

     
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