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Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by PFM18, Dec 8, 2018.

  1. PFM18 Active Member

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    Because of the recent news that Metamoran=Potara, we are no longer forced to rationalize why an inferior fusion could produce a vastly more powerful character than the superior method of fusion. Therefore, we aren't forced to accept that Goku and Vegeta got magnitudes stronger during the ToP!

    If anything, this tells us that they haven't gotten magnitudes stronger because otherwise they wouldn't need SSB to beat a Beerus level opponent.
     
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  2. Plague Punches People in the Face

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    Ehh, we're probably messing with the bull on this, but with Toriyama's senility I feel like it could be the case.
    Not even since the ToP. If they hype Fusion up this much, SSJG may have never been stronger than it. Even since BoGs.
    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. We'll get some fucked up statement on it eventually. I can just feel it.
     
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    Good news everyone, I have such a hard time accepting a loss I’ll cling onto anything I can to justify my bullshit reasoning.

    Why is this guy still here?
     
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  4. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Ok:torilol
     
  5. KennethLT Active Member

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    Nah. They gained massive gains. That's much is evident. Even if the fusion dance got retcon to equal potara.
     
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    Dance being allegedly = Potara doest disprove ToP gains...What kind of bullshit false equivalence logic is that :lmao
     
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    Man, ever try being rational?

    It doesn't disprove it, I never said it did, you should consider re-reading it. But the fact that Potara>>>Metamoran and yet SSB Gogeta>>SSB Vegetto forced us to believe that there were these crazy gains, but since that no longer applies, we aren't forced to believe these crazy gains.
     
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    Gogeta = Vegetto ... hence, in Broly Movie, SSB Gogeta = current/hypothetical SSB Vegetto >> FT SSB Vegetto.
     
  9. Millón Vasto Homo Novus

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    Once again my apologies soldier.

    It seems juub has decided to absorb u for what i can think can only be shits and giggles, while simultaneosly keep u concious.

    U've gone mad from i'm afraid.

    Why must this monster be so cruel?
     
  10. Perfect Susano Well-Known Member

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    The only gains they made were new forms but I don't see what this has to do with anything.
     
  11. WorldsStrongest Padoru

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    Wrong

    We visibly see and are told they get stronger in the ToP
     
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    All it means is both fusions have the same amount of power, let's move on already.
     
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    But is this good news for Kanzenshuu?
     
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    This is about the obvious gains. Wether fusion equal potara or not is not relevant.
     
  16. Prince Vegeta Get Over Here

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    Wtf does fusion have to do with how much stronger goku and vegeta got during ToP.

    They said broly is stronger than anyone they have faced before so obviously ssb gogeta would be needed especially since he gets stronger as he fights
     
  17. Prince Vegeta Get Over Here

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    Wtf are u saying

    It was believed that potara > dance fusion

    Until recently they announced that gogeta = vegito.
     
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    That's literally what I said.

    If Goku and Vegeta were vastly stronger, with an inferior form of fusion, it would imply much larger gains than if they were vastly stronger with an equal level of fusion. It is very simple.
     
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    It is relevant for the aforementioned reasons. There's nothing obvious about the gains either. Nothing really clearly indicating magnitudes of an increase.
     
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  20. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Honestly tbh I doubt toei or At believes goku or vegeta are that magnitude stronger compared to there Ft arc versions :kanyeshrug
     
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    All that means is a current Vegetto would be equal to rather than superior to Gogeta. Know the difference between past and present-tense...
     
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    It would mean that a current Gogeta is as strong as a current Vegetto.

    Jesus... how hard is that?

    Current Gogeta murders FT arc Vegetto.

    They made huge gains in the ToP and they've also continued to train hard ever since.
     
  23. Prince Vegeta Get Over Here

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    He is wise yes, but no he isn't that old lol.
     
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    This doesn't really address the topic at hand in any capacity.

    This doesn't address anything either. This isn't a matter of difficulty, and if it is, it may be too hard for you considering you don't seem to have grasped the premise of the conversation.
     
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    The problem is yours here. You just can't accept the fact that they've made huge gains.

    Stay salty because this new scan doesn't help your case at all.
     
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    I wouldn't mind SSJG Gogeta beating Broly after a good fight, giving that Buu saga "I am still holding back" argument.
     
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    I mean, I think they all got stronger. Minimum 50%, Max 10 Fold, but I don't think they got Hundreds of times stronger over the ToP like some people do. Especially on Youtube. I think I saw a guy arguing for a Thousand times+ on there.
     
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    The only thing anyone does in DB is get stronger :lmao
     
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    That's basically where I'm at. To make it less arbitrary, I am not of the opinion that ep 123 SSB Goku>1st UI Goku or even ep 123 SSB Goku>109 SSBKKx20. Anything between 50% and several times would fit things, but there's really no reason to advocate for more than that.

    I came in asking for evidence because I didn't see why it was such a wide belief.

    Turns out, there's no compelling evidence, just a lot of wishful thinking and bias. I don't have trouble accepting anything.
     
  30. Duke Ysmir01 I just kept moving forward

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    And here i though we had actually good news, like you admitting you were wrong. But it is the same nonsense again. Not even a christmas miracle can save you now :hestonpls
     
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