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Hand 2 Hand Skill Battle(Read OP)

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Acnologia, Aug 6, 2018.

  1. Acnologia Dragon King

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    This is not a "Who is stronger" Thread

    Who of these people has more skill / experience in H2H

    Garou(OPM)
    Gai(Naruto)
    Goku(DBS)
    All Might(BnHA)
    Derieri(NNT)
     
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  2. Lord Valgaav My fries

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    Goku has trained with people all over earth, on different planets throughout the universe, and even different dimensions.

    Gonna go with him.
     
  3. Mythoclast Hyper Lethal

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  5. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Skill is usually hard as shit to quantify dude.
     
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  6. Gunstarvillain Endless One

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    Went with the gut.
    Always go with your gut kid.
     
  7. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    One of the first 3, probably choose Goku though.
     
  8. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    Ultra Instinct seems like it grants Goku the ultimate skill in martial arts since it makes it so all his moves for offense and defense are at maximum efficiency. It's as if his mind calculates the best possible move in any given situation and his body instantly performs that action without time needing to be taken to transmit it to his body.
     
  9. Fang Titan

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    That's not what Ultra Instinct does, it just basically puts the body on autopilot reflex mode.
     
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    All Might(BnHA): Him and Guy are very interchangeable given how they have more or less equal combat experience. I still rank All Might below though since he isn't a Martial Artist like Guy.

    Gai(Naruto): See above.

    Garou(OPM): He can almost instantly copy fighting skills by just looking at them. His recent fight against Orochi has him adapting and changing his combat skill further and further, something that should put him above Guy and All Might.

    Derieri(NNT): She is the oldest here by centuries which gives her plenty of combat experience no one else has and she is one of the highest ranking generals in the Demon Clan's army as well.

    Goku(DBS): Despite that, Goku should be higher than Deriere given how he has trained with millennia old beings and surpassed most of them in fighting skill, not just in power.
     
  11. Fang Titan

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    Goku learned the Turtle Wave by copying Roshi performing it from one time seeing him using it. :maybe
     
  12. Lord Valgaav My fries

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    Goku is master of the copy.
     
  13. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    He isn't using his regular fighting style when using Ultra Instinct. Even with incomplete Ultra Instinct spectators were saying his movements were nothing like his usual movements, and how they were more accurate and sharper.

    We especially saw this when Goku showcased Mastered Ultra Instinct since we never see Goku simultaneously dodge and counter-attack this effectively at any time before this.

    Machine-like efficacy is a byproduct of the automatic movements Ultra Instinct gives Goku and that makes him a better martial artist than in any of his other forms.
     
  14. Fang Titan

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    That's fine and all but you literally just repeated what I said, UI is just putting the mind and body on the same wavelength so there's a form of automatic reflexes with no input lag or delay. You are making this out to be more than what it actually is.
     
  15. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    No input lag or delay isn't the same as surgical precision punches. Goku's accuracy going up massively is another important aspect is what i'm saying. It was highlighted multiple times during the tournament. So it's fair to say Ultra Instinct makes him a better martial artist when he's using it.
     
  16. Fang Titan

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    I am going off what Whis explained and what is shown. It makes him a "better martial artist" in the sense its giving him a leg up in reaction time and reflexive response, that's about it.
     
  17. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    I am also going off what was explained and shown. Multiple spectators stated Goku's movements were more accurate and sharper. We were shown Goku moving in a way different than normal (dodging much more efficiently not even having to move from a single spot and in ways he never was able to previously).

    If Automatic Reactions and a stat boost was the only thing his fighting style would've remained unchanged (just quicker than normal) but all the spectators commented on how Goku's movements were different from normal. So Goku's punches are much more accurate and he's a more skilled fighter when relying on instinct.
     
  18. Fang Titan

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    Because he's in autopilot mode.

    Because he's in autopilot mode.

    Because he's in autopilot mode, there's no input lag between him thinking and him actually doing things when he's fighting, and therefore he's able to move around and respond to things faster and with more clarity. You are making a mile out of an inch here.
     
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  19. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    You're both saying the same shit :skully
     
  20. Fang Titan

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    I pointed that out to Xenos already, Stables koon.

     
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  22. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    I think you may be underselling Gai quite a bit.

    Madara, one of the most talented ninja in the series who had plenty of fights in his day, acknowledged Gai as the greatest taijutsu user he'd ever seen.

    That accolade puts him far above All Might rather than just interchangeable and possibly on the same level as Garou or higher. He's not on the level of a normal martial artist or just slightly above a guy who's mostly a brawler.
     
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    Yeah, you're right, with that accolade he may well be above Garou even with his insane copy skills.
     
  24. lol 4th dimension reiatsu Well-Known Member

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    Goku matching Hit timeskip by predicting his next moves by 0'5 seconds was a great feat.

    All Might isn't really a martial artist...
     
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    Beat me to it
    :mayuri
     
  26. MusubiKazesaru Moderator Moderator

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    Not sure about Garou since I'm behind on OPM, but from what I'm aware of the other characters

    Goku >>>> Gai >>> Derieri >~ All Might
     
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    In Kakashi's novel a wheelchair bound Gai invents an entirely new form of fighting in a couple minutes to fend off some mooks.

    I think he gave himself motion sickness though. :skully
     
  29. Zihawk The World's Strongest

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    Goku most best martial artist idgaf about the rest.
     
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    Garous pretty top, id place him above or near Gai with how hes capable of recognizing techniques and adapting.

    Even when vastly overpowered against the likes of Watchdogman, he was capable of telling what was happening.

    The dudes like Hit with his ability to adapt. dont quote me on that.

    My heart isnt ready for extreme malicious criticism.
     
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