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Hashirama vs Shinobi alliance

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Vrizu, Jan 10, 2019.

Soo which side is stronger again?

  1. God of Shinobi > Shinobi World

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  2. Shinobi World > God of Shinobi

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  1. Kamalu Well-Known Member

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    Shut the fuck up. We know that shinobi like jiraiya in their fifties are still considered to be in their prime and can put up a fight. Hashirama(a senju and known for his cells) should still be in his prime. On top of this, we have no way of knowing what age he was killed, so you saying he died old could mean he died in his mid fifties to me, which this series shows means nothing to a shinobi. And no, madara didn't beat the entire alliance, he fought a division, used asspulls and took advantage of his Edo status.
     
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    bro, kurama beat nagato who destroyed the entire konoha. madara, who is stronger than kurama, and kurama fought hashirama and still lost. how do you think the shinobi alliance could beat hashirama if he is more than double as strong as kurama? think, very few shinobi are known to defeat tailed beasts other than the kages. and hashirama is way stronger than any kage.
     
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    He can easily solo Gokages + fodder army. Gai ends his life though.
     
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    Your point? What I said still applies.
    That never happened.
    No, he isn't. Perfect Susano'o is, at best, comparable to Kurama. Why do you think he needed his firepower if he was stronger?
    Yes, because Mokūton is Bijū kryptonite, it's not like he was overpowered there. Even Hashi himself admits that Kurama is obscenely powerful.
    What math did you do to reach this conclusion? Because it's not true, for starters.
    And a fraction of the entire alliance was fighting the Jūbi, so....
    Cool. That doesn't really translate to anything relevant, however.
     
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    He did, meanwhile Hashi couldn't keep Edo Madara down alone.
     
  6. Kamalu Well-Known Member

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    Are we reading the same manga? It was naruto who beat pain(not nagato). Nagato wasn't even trying to kill naruto ffs.

    Using genjutsu. Otherwise, he's nothing to kurama.

    Because Hashirama wields bijuu's kryptonite.

    What???:scust how do you know hashi is stronger than kurama by that much? And the fact is single villages can deal with bijuu without their entire fighting force. They still kill Hashirama easily.

    True.

    But it didn't stop him from dying in a battle to non kages.
     
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    > Hashirama got killed in the war
    (which the villages were not allied together, and Konoha obviously was not against its Hokage)

    Hashirama wankers

    > Hashi defeats all 5 nations put together...

    :mjlol
     
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  8. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    So what is the "Alliance"?

    The 5 Kages, the 5 Generals(Kakashi, Darui, etc), the Rookies, the rookies parents and tons of Chuunin level shinobi?

    If only those guys and no Naruto/Sasuke/Bee/Hokages(aside from Tsunade) then as long as Hashi goes all out from the go using Mokujin and possibly SM as soon as possible afterwards combined with a potential SS then I do not see how the Alliance can win.

    However, IF Hashi screws around like Madara and spends plenty of time using Taijutsu and less powerful Wood jutsus...then there is a fair chance they can take him out though. A Kamui snipe while Hashi is distracted with fodders or the Gokage combined attack against Madara that seriousy "wounded" him would be a threat to Hashi. As well as some clever strategies as the one that almost ended with Madara getting hit with FRS.

    Its true what some say that Madara would have died at times if he wasn't an edo but it is also true he was messing around plenty of time due to plain arrogance and trust in his edo immortality. No different when he wasn't careful about his safety when facing the 8 bijuus as he told WZ that now with Hashi's regen he feels less need to be cautious. If Madara used PS from the go though he would never end up in situations where he would need edo regen though. Same as attacking 8 bijuus without even using Susanoo from the beginning.

    It would also depend on plot if such battle happened during the manga with an evil Hashi being around. If Hashi replaced Madara/Obito as the main big bad then his plot shield would make him invincible against all but Naruto/Sasuke. If he was just another boss battle before fighting Madara and Obito then I could see the Alliance winning to show how the new generation improved and make Hashi proud. Hashi being controlled by ET would also make him lose WoF with the controller(say...Kabuto) possibly not knowing how to use him best...or not as good as Hashi knows how to use himself.

    As for Hashi dying in the previous war I do not see it as proof of anything as part 2 had been avoiding like crazy the subject of how Hashi died. That and more importantly how Hashi's power was retconned. There was nothing in part 1 saying how Hashi and Tobirama were brought weaker than in life. And we saw Hiruzen(hyped back then as God of Shinobi) holding his own against them. Hiruzen lost his hype in part 2 while Hashi was elevated way beyond his part 1 edo battle which likely includes his first DB power portrayal as well. For all we know his death might have been retconned to Ninja AIDS or him commiting suicide during the 1st War due to said war starting out of fear of his power in the first place or something. *shrug*
     
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    Ain't none of these people defeating hashirama's wood, no way.
     
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    The Gokage are tiny little ants in front of Hashirama's power and the latter is verstatil enough to deal with any fighting style, therefore he would stomp them one after another with his limitless chakra and Mokuton.
    High diff win for Hashi.
     
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    Hashirama loses. Power of teamwork > Single shinobi. Even Edo Madara can't solo.
     
  12. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Even JJ Obito couldn't Solo less than half of the SA. :kanyelul


    if only Hashi's fans would try to actually use the thing inside their heads. Kappa
    But that seems far fetched... :wow
     
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    Tbh JJ Obito had a pretty good shot of defeating the Alliance had Naruto and Sasuke not been there.

    Only Senjutsu worked on him and only Naruto(plus Gaara when it comes to Shukaku) could remove the bijuus out of him.

    And in this scenario the Alliance does not include Naruto, Sasuke or the Hokage. Nor is the 8th Gate allowed.

    I do not see how JJ Obito could lose. :hm

    As for Hashi how do you think the fight would go if the Alliance was only restricted to the Gokage, Generals and countless Chuunin? Is that enough to deal with something like PS, BM or Mokujin level of power?
     
  14. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    but he did lose. :catshrug

    Yes, they literally fodderstomps. like a high-speed train running over an ant that so happened to be on the railway. :catshrug
     
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    look. madara said he was close to hashirama. even though he used genjutsu on kurama but he still beat it. and hashirama beat kurama+madara. so.... hashirama was 2 X kurama. even though he wields bijuu's kryptonite, he still beat the two overpowered ones. now, kurama at his full size is massive. and hashiramas top transformed buddha is huge compared to konoha village. all the forces of konoha combined couldnt beat kurama until minato and hiruzen stepped in. hashirama is capable of taking down an entire village. and we know how easily half of kurama beat five other tailed beasts. hashirama at his sage mode could perhaps beat even more tailed beasts together.

    madara beat a whole shinobi division without using too much effort. if he went all out he could perhaps beat the entire shinobi alliance. and hashirama is close to that edo war version of madara. he should be able to do that too especially if he uses sage mode.

    and about being killed in a war, it was never stated that hashirama was not old. otherwise his extremely fast healing abilities would negate all damages. his old age made it slow for his healing abilities to function properly. this led to his death (possibly).

    and talking about the top transformed buddha, yamato and tobi's chakra is very small compared to hashirama's. so hashirama probably makes an extremely larger statue and does much more damage than tobi. also, hashirama has wood dragons, which is comparable to madaras susanoo. since madaras susanoo was able to do lots of damage to the shinobi forces and allies, hashiramas wood dragons should be able to do the same or more too.
     
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    Stop speculating, your theories are not supported by anything.
    Would you prefer it being shown? Hashirama was revived by Orochimaru, he died young. That ends this discussion.

    As for the rest, well... I simply don't care about this anymore.
     
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    Make it the entire verse and Jiraiya would still solo...wouldn’t even need SM
     
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    Dat Hashi wood is buried deep in the NBD.

    DEEP
     
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    Alliance wins, he gets overwhelmed. The same way the alliance buried the Juubi, so too happens to any of the forests that Hashirama makes, and afterwards they pile it on.
     
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    But not against the Alliance from this thread which is much weaker. Hence I said "sans Naruto and Sasuke".

    These hypothetical scenarios which we make here do not include plot shields and having the plot on their side otherwise Naruto could solo beat Kaguya and the rest of the O clan...somehow. Madara is a great example of a guy who lasted so long by being plot favored till he played his role though Naruto and Sasuke would have died to him too were it not for a deus ex machina power up from Hago. Plot gives and plot taketh.

    Well...you clearly do not believe how Hashi can beat the Alliance even sans its strongest cards so there must be a way how you see the Gokage and co winning somehow.

    If plot is allowed then I clearly see some character like Kakashi pulling some great plan and killing Hashi somehow. Or Hashi being under some heavy PIS and not using any of his strongest jutsus.

    In a Battledome scenario though assuming it is IC for Hashi to go all out after seeing how many opponents he needs to face there is the matter how the Alliance would overpower Mokujin. Since there are no bijuus on the Alliance side the strongest hitter is Oonoki but can he damage/destroy Mokujin? Especially a SM powered Mokujin? Oonoki destroyed Madara's V2 Susanoo clones but Mokujin is quite above that. Had the Alliance had some hax user like Minato with Hirashin or Obito with much better mastery of Kamui than Kakashi(and much more spammable) then it wouldn't be THAT hard perhaps but without such guys on the Alliance side....
     
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    I see no Kamui on the restricted list.

    Kamui GG strikes again :kksharing
     
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    Hashi gets blown back. Less then half of the SA was using large scale ninjutsu that was around the size of the Juubi let alone it's full 80,000 force of nina
     
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    Too many combos and far too much hax on the team. All the team would need to do is get oonoki close with a jinton beam which eradicates any mokuton or get kakashi a clean shot with kamui which is more then feasible with so many shinobi and kages.
     
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    Hashirama loses horrifically.

    Madara's Majestic Flame Destroyer was smothered by random shinobi. Hashirama's Deep Forest Creation and Flower Tree world are crushed before they go anywhere.

    Shinsuusenju is obliterated by wind blades from the Sand, blades of chakra from Samurai, lasers from the Cloud, then it'll buried in tens of thousands of shuriken and paper bombs. Vast Mobile Core makes sure Shinsuusenju doesn't fall on anyone.

    They don't need the Kage, the commanders and Shikaku lead them to victory.
     
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    Shodaime can easily get Kamui sniped amidst the chaos.

    Shinobi Alliance wins.
     
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    Just goes to show how dangerous Kakashi is :bury
     
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    before the hokages entered the scene, the shinobi alliance were able to do literally nothing against the juubi. when hashirama entered, he could put gates on the juubis tails and limit the juubi.
     
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    I always find it hilarious when Hashirama gets the benefit of the doubt against hax that other non-God tier characters don't get, not even the Sannin. Hype is a heck of a drug, because considering some of the arguments for Hashi here it seems like his "God of Shinobi" title is being taken seriously. Hashirama is up against an army of 99.9% of the Shinobi World who have full knowledge of his abilities. He's not winning just because he showed a certain level of firepower. Hype doesn't account for that when not even the Juubi was immune to hax from the Shinobi Alliance.

    And speaking of hax, we have several fun examples of just that from the alliance.
    Like that time was able to get into the Juubi's "mind" and redirect its Juubidamas.
    Or the time Kitsuchi , then it long enough to provide an opening for the alliance.
    Or the time they the Juubi.
    Or the time they the Juubi.

    And then if that's not enough we also have certain members of the alliance capable of being a problem, like the , the Aburame clan with their chakra eating bugs, and the list goes on.

    All of these tactics and abilities are available without Naruto or Bee present. All of these feats were done without the Kages present, who will be here this time. And to make things worse the alliance will have Shikaku and the sensing squad back at HQ backing them up, which means they can better coordinate their strategies whilst always knowing Hashi's location. He won't be getting away. And with Hyuugas and sensors present on the battlefield he isn't clone feinting either. Hashi also doesn't have cross country range like the Juubi so he can't take them out.

    So with all of that against him, the only way Hashirama has a chance here is with SS. The problem is he has to go into Sage Mode successfully first, which provides an opening he really can't afford from an army who can exploit it several times over. Hashi slips up and gets overwhelmed.
     
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    ^ never take anything Hashirama fan say seriously

    > look at it
    > laugh at it
    > move on.

    :catshrug
     
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    Give Hashirama Kisame on his side and he stands a chance.
     
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