1. Welcome to the forums! Take a second to look at our Beginner's Guide. It contains the information necessary for you to have an easier experience here.

    Thanks and have fun. -NF staff
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Dismiss Notice

  3. Come join the KCC Haiku Contest -- Summer!
    Entries due by August 17th at 2:30 PM UTC.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. img
    Dragon Ball Drawing Contest: Black & White Edition.
    Deadline is on August 30th at 11pm UTC
    Dismiss Notice

Have Goku and Vegeta been fighting long enough to be called “Veterans”

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Toxic Saiyan, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. Toxic Saiyan

    Messages:
    5,614
    Likes Received:
    460
    Trophy Points:
    852
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2016
    Reputation:
    Like think back to all the big fights and long decades of training and struggle they’ve been put through. Would you call them that in terms of battle at this point?
     
    Tags:
  2. Marvel

    Messages:
    8,722
    Likes Received:
    651
    Trophy Points:
    1,232
    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2018
    Reputation:
    With the amount of battles and training they've expirenced and endured they're definitley vets
     
  3. Gyro Retired Staff

    Messages:
    20,963
    Likes Received:
    1,429
    Trophy Points:
    1,708
    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2012
    Compared to people like Hit, Buu, the GoD and so on they're babies but they still can fight and defeat those guys so yeah, they're battle vets
     
  4. MShadows Moderator

    Messages:
    25,384
    Likes Received:
    10,772
    Trophy Points:
    5,007
    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2013






    Without a doubt.
     
  5. Batzzaro29

    Messages:
    6,456
    Likes Received:
    638
    Trophy Points:
    1,333
    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2017
    Reputation:
    Veteran? You can call them masters.
     
  6. Rakuyo

    Messages:
    28,813
    Likes Received:
    1,977
    Trophy Points:
    2,333
    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2013
    both of them have about 40 years of experience fighting all kinds of foes

    what do u think?
     
  7. Namikaze Minato Flash

    Messages:
    9,810
    Likes Received:
    311
    Trophy Points:
    1,004
    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2007
    Reputation:
    They are veterans by definition for their time and experience as warriors...
     
  8. Mabel Gleeful

    Messages:
    7,292
    Likes Received:
    575
    Trophy Points:
    1,458
    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2016
    Reputation:
    Both have fought since kids. Not calling them veterans is almost an insult.
     
  9. Juub

    Messages:
    14,323
    Likes Received:
    2,179
    Trophy Points:
    2,708
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011






    Even Gohan is a veteran at that point. Over 20 years of combat experience under his belt.
     
  10. Aduro

    Messages:
    6,030
    Likes Received:
    591
    Trophy Points:
    1,283
    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2013
    Reputation:
    Pretty much this. They're among the most experienced mortals. But there are immortals with more battle experience like Beerus and Whis. Both of whom have made Goku and Vegeta look like talented amateurs in terms of battle knowledge. Plus even Roshi had something to teach Goku in the manga.
     
  11. Claudio Swiss

    Messages:
    36,447
    Likes Received:
    13,987
    Trophy Points:
    5,133
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015






    They fought since they were kids
     
  12. God Movement

    Messages:
    51,481
    Likes Received:
    3,834
    Trophy Points:
    5,307
    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009






    Yes. They are veterans. Prodigies. Geniuses.
     
  13. Reznor Administrator

    Messages:
    47,988
    Likes Received:
    2,228
    Trophy Points:
    2,533
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 1969






    They are both approaching retirement age and have been fighting literally their entire lives :drake
     
  14. CaptainCommanderRenji

    Messages:
    1,646
    Likes Received:
    183
    Trophy Points:
    903
    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Reputation:
    Goku and Vegeta have had more real battles than those guys though. For example Buu. He is old but never faced any challenge in his life before the Buu saga.
     
  15. Juub

    Messages:
    14,323
    Likes Received:
    2,179
    Trophy Points:
    2,708
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011






    They still have about 20 years left. Still pretty far off.
     
  16. Kinjin Global Moderator

    Messages:
    4,926
    Likes Received:
    2,243
    Trophy Points:
    2,158
    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2013






    No, they aren't veterans.

    Spoiler:
    :dank
     
  17. LostSelf Moderator

    Messages:
    13,882
    Likes Received:
    1,323
    Trophy Points:
    1,783
    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010






    Thing is, Goku and Vegeta have been going through worse things Hit was in his life and has had a lot of teachers (Goku).

    I'd say they are more veteran than Hit and Buu who rely in being born with inmense powers without training.
     
  18. Juub

    Messages:
    14,323
    Likes Received:
    2,179
    Trophy Points:
    2,708
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011






    Hit is trained though isn’t he? If I remember Goku is the first guy to have forced him to evolve on the fly but I don’t believe he was born that strong.
     
  19. Aduro

    Messages:
    6,030
    Likes Received:
    591
    Trophy Points:
    1,283
    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2013
    Reputation:
    That would only make them around 60 or so. That's very old for a human to be a top martial artists. But as saiyans they still have about another 30-40 years in their prime. I'm not sure how long Goku has been in the time chamber compared to how long he's been dead... I think Vegeta is quite a bit older than Goku but he hasn't shown signs of aging since the Saiyan Saga either.
    Buu definitely seems like a less experienced fighter. I'm not sure he has the attention span or memory to remember all his fights and learn the mentality of a warrior from them, and he was strong enough to steamroll. But Hit gained power through steady evolution against strong opponents for a thousand years. He should definitely be considered a veteran assassin who has been through tough fights.

    What I like is that Vegeta and Goku are veterans compared to the rookie U6 Saiyans. Even when they had more raw power, the exhausted Goku outmanuevered Kale and Caulifla very well until they fused. Vegeta is proudly acting as a mentor for Cabba. Its good that Goku and Vegeta still have room to learn from the gods. But I also really enjoy that they can school the kids on Super Saiyan and tactics.
     
  20. LostSelf Moderator

    Messages:
    13,882
    Likes Received:
    1,323
    Trophy Points:
    1,783
    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010






    He could've trained. But I always saw Hit as someone who was born strong and didn't need to train much or look aside his own strengths. Not everybody can counter time skip and likely many battles weren't hard to him in order to learn that much.

    He was also an assassin, so I don't think he'd be into wars. Just time stop - bypass guards and kill target.
    But if I am taking Goku being he first one to force him to evolve beyond what it meant, then I think he can be excluded from this.

    That said, Hit and Buu can come on top because these guys are extremely smart. Buu was learning fast, for example. But I don't think Hit and Buu experienced battles as harsh as Vegeta and Goku.
     
  21. WorldsStrongest

    Messages:
    23,482
    Likes Received:
    3,993
    Trophy Points:
    3,207
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2016
    Flag:
    Canada






    Hit straight up states he never even contemplated improvement over his base power or ability until he met Goku.

    Him naturally being at that level is implied.
     
  22. Toxic Saiyan

    Messages:
    5,614
    Likes Received:
    460
    Trophy Points:
    852
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2016
    Reputation:
    Well for those with the sort of “duh of course they are” the reason I made it is sort of like...

    I kinda associate Goku and Vegeta in a sort of class of their own, they still have quite a long ways to go from reaching the top and plenty of godly powers like UI waiting ahead with Gods and Angels that may or may not have seen combat far more intense/brutal/frequent. But... with their raw combat experience in terms of their given lifespan I would call them veterans easily. Just needed test out that label.
     
  23. Gordo solos

    Messages:
    17,099
    Likes Received:
    3,736
    Trophy Points:
    2,858
    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016






    Vegeta used to be in an army so yeah
     
  24. Juub

    Messages:
    14,323
    Likes Received:
    2,179
    Trophy Points:
    2,708
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011






    Was it what it was said? I only vaguely remember him saying Goku is the only person who forced him to improve in combat or something like that. I haven't see that episode in like 2 years though.
     
  25. WorldsStrongest

    Messages:
    23,482
    Likes Received:
    3,993
    Trophy Points:
    3,207
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2016
    Flag:
    Canada






    Same

    To be fair I could be misremembering but im like 90% sure Hit says that prior to fighting Goku he never bothered with improvement of any kind at all.
     
  26. El Hit

    Messages:
    9,157
    Likes Received:
    3,295
    Trophy Points:
    2,708
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2008






    He must have trained, he adapts to fighting styles by changing his stance so that implies he is trained.
     
  27. Pilaf

    Messages:
    25,684
    Likes Received:
    1,009
    Trophy Points:
    1,932
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2007
    Reputation:
    All of the combatants from the main cast are veterans.
     
  28. Aduro

    Messages:
    6,030
    Likes Received:
    591
    Trophy Points:
    1,283
    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2013
    Reputation:
    Hit also challenges all of his targets directly and honourably. Most of his targets might have been pushovers, but there were probably quite a number of tyrants and warriors on the list too. He's strong because he spent a thousand years getting into fair fights.
     
  29. Zef

    Messages:
    15,058
    Likes Received:
    1,495
    Trophy Points:
    2,032
    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2014






    Goku and Bejita are jobbers.
    :hestonpls

    Jiren is a real veteran.:mahbama
     
    • Ningen Ningen x 2
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
    • List
  30. Izuku

    Messages:
    305
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2017
    Yes.

    Have you seen Dragon Ball?
     
Loading...