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Healthy Nagato vs. Edo Nagato vs. Nagato

DaVizWiz

Well-Known Member
Just wanted to get your takes on the difference in power between the various Nagato’s.

So healthy Nagato is a fanfic version that’s not crippled and has a vital body. He doesn’t exist but NBD likes to use him for debates. Since his Rinnegan is real he can summon and manipulate Gedo Mazo, and since he’s alive he can use Samsara.

Edo Nagato is the version that appeared in the manga on Itachi’s shoulder, he’s partially crippled but has regeneration superior to Tsunade’s, immortality like Hidan and nigh unlimited stamina. He has a fake Rinnegan and is dead so he can’t use Gedo Mazo or Samsara.

Nagato is the canon version - a bad malnourished body who hasn’t exercised in decades and who is crippled and was breathing heavy/nose bleeding from using CT. It’s assumed he can use GM and we know he can use Samsara.

Which is the strongest and are they all in the same tier?
 
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Turrin

玄武
Healthy Nagato > Nagato > Edo Nagato

It’s heavily implied that the Fake Rinnegan isn’t just weaker because it can’t Summon Gedou Mazou but it’s overall weaker; meaning someone with the Real Rinnegan Techniques will be stronger then someone with the Fake one. However even if someone chooses to not by into that; the fact that Real Rinnegan can summon Gedou Mazou alone is enough to put them above Edo Nagato, considering Gedou Mazou was able to fight BM B + KCM Naruto + Kakashi + Gai; a team stronger then or at least equivalent to Edo Itachi + KCM Naruto + BM B; who very quickly beat Edo Nagato.

And then of course on top of controlling GM and being able to use the Soul Stealing Dragons (which it seemed like Obito couldn’t or didn’t use in battle); Nagato can cast all the same Jutsu Edo Nagato can (likely on a higher scale) or Summon Pain to fight alongside GM.

Ether way that’s way above Edo Nagato pay grade without GM.
 

Charmed

Forever Charmed
Healthy Nagato is founder tier
Rejuvenated Edo Nagato is a strong Top tier
Gray hair Edo Nagato is weaker than Alive Nagato I think, cuz he doesnt have mobility nor his puppets. He'd be weaker than 6PoP I believe.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
It’s the same Rinnegan, da fuck dude.

False. Nagato died with the Rinnegan, and got revived having it. Madara did not and got a ''fake Rinnegan'' instead from Kabuto.

Edo Madara's Rinnegan being "fake" has zero bearing on Nagato's Rinnegan.

Also, the ONLY distinction between a fake and real Rinnegan mentioned is that the latter can summon the Juubi statue.

 

Turrin

玄武
False. Nagato died with the Rinnegan, and got revived having it. Madara did not and got a ''fake Rinnegan'' instead from Kabuto.

Edo Madara's Rinnegan being "fake" has zero bearing on Nagato's Rinnegan.

Also, the ONLY distinction between a fake and real Rinnegan mentioned is that the latter can summon the Juubi statue.

Yeah and Madara Fake Rinnegan as an Edo was also weaker which is why he couldn’t use Limbo. And as already stated even just being able to Summon GM, is enough to put Nagato above Edo Nagato.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
Yeah and Madara Fake Rinnegan as an Edo was also weaker which is why he couldn’t use Limbo

This has no bearing on Nagato though :hm

Nagato is not the original user of the eye :hm

Nagato was not capable of Limbo in life :hm

And as already stated even just being able to Summon GM, is enough to put Nagato above Edo Nagato.

Nagato has no feats of using GM in battle.

Try again.
 

MaruUchiha

The Fourth Six Paths
Prime Nagato is the strongest, obviously
So healthy Nagato is a fanfic version that’s not crippled and has a vital body.

That doesn't look like fanfic to me, and before you even say it Nagato got his legs blown up in the midst of this fight not beforehand. Saying this Nagato starts with his legs blown up is like saying Edo Minato starts with his arm chopped off
 

Turrin

玄武
This has no bearing on Nagato though :hm

Nagato is not the original user of the eye :hm

Nagato was not capable of Limbo in life :hm



Nagato has no feats of using GM in battle.

Try again.
It doesn’t matter, Nagato with Fake Rinnegan still has a weaker Rinnegan, then he does in life.

See Hanzo fight and that was a much weaker Nagato
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
It doesn’t matter, Nagato with Fake Rinnegan still has a weaker Rinnegan, then he does in life.

See Hanzo fight and that was a much weaker Nagato

1. "It doesn't matter" isn't an argument. There's no proof Nagato's Rinnegan itself was weaker, certainly not in a way that would actually affect his combat performance.

2. Nagato crippled himself to use that thing. What are you talking about?
 

Turrin

玄武
1. "It doesn't matter" isn't an argument. There's no proof Nagato's Rinnegan itself was weaker, certainly not in a way that would actually affect his combat performance.

2. Nagato crippled himself to use that thing. What are you talking about?
1) I gave you the proof, your ignoring it

2) Yeah so now he can use it
 

Turrin

玄武
1) None of this proof applies to Nagato though.

2) At the expense of crippling himself :hm
1) He has the Same Rinnegan, so yes it does. What your arguing is he can’t use it as well as Madara; but that doesn’t change the power of the Rinnegan

2) Okay and now he can use it
 

DaVizWiz

Well-Known Member
Prime Nagato is the strongest, obviously


That doesn't look like fanfic to me, and before you even say it Nagato got his legs blown up in the midst of this fight not beforehand. Saying this Nagato starts with his legs blown up is like saying Edo Minato starts with his arm chopped off
15 year old Nagato is Prime Nagato? Interesting.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
Considering Nagato turned into an anorexic cripple after this fight, and Pain is nowhere near Nagato's level? Yeah I think it's safe to say this is Prime Nagato
:whatthe

This Nagato has done absolutely nothing to prove he's all that strong.

And no, summoning a nigh featless statue that cripples you isn't proof.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
1) He has the Same Rinnegan, so yes it does. What your arguing is he can’t use it as well as Madara; but that doesn’t change the power of the Rinnegan

2) Okay and now he can use it

1) It doesn't change the power of the Rinnegan, but the Rinnegan is only ever mentioned to be weaker in Edo form than in life for Madara using the statue and Limbo, not for Nagato. There's no proof from the manga NAGATO or his USE of the Rinnegan is weakened by ET.

It's no different from Madara being weaker as an ET than in life but Muu and Minato being as strong and fast.

2) He can't - certainly not without becoming a cripple. Never mind the fact his use of the statue is featless compared to Obito's.
 

t0xeus

hi it's me t0x
Health is the most valuable asset one has.

I gotta go with Healthy Nagato here just so the kids lurking in here don't get badly influenced and think that health is not that important. :mikebatman
 

Turrin

玄武
1) It doesn't change the power of the Rinnegan, but the Rinnegan is only ever mentioned to be weaker in Edo form than in life for Madara using the statue and Limbo, not for Nagato. There's no proof from the manga NAGATO or his USE of the Rinnegan is weakened by ET.

It's no different from Madara being weaker as an ET than in life but Muu and Minato being as strong and fast.

2) He can't - certainly not without becoming a cripple. Never mind the fact his use of the statue is featless compared to Obito's.
1) Are you arguing Edo Nagato could Summon Gedou Mazou with a Fake Edo Rinnegan, but Madara couldn’t? If not then it being a Fake Rinnegan had an impact on both of their abilities

2) He already paid the price and became a crippled. And it’s the same statue Obito has, da fuck. Nagato actually has a better feat then Obito being able to summon the Dragon in combat
 

blk

Well-Known Member
Edo Nagato is the strongest.

Full body regen and unlimited stamina is above any advantage that a living Nagato could have.
 
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