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Hendrickson(NnT) vs. Konoha(Naruto)

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  1. Lord Valgaav My fries

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    Knowledge: Basic for Hendy, none for ninjas
    Restrictions/Conditions: This is demon Hendrickson. This is Konoha at the time of the Pein invasion so Tsunade and everyone else is there but no Naruto, Danzo, or Team Gai.
    Mindset: Bloodlusted

    Bonus: If Hendrickson solos, its him vs. SM Naruto that fought Pein.
     
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    If Tsunadd takes the front lines she could do some serious damage to him, with Kakashi using Kamui and shit like barriers from Anbu and the like, he cant solo.

    Pain only did it due to his numbers, splitting up and taking down small teams. He never had the entire village pouring onto him at once
     
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    But he did have all of Liones on his ass plus the Sins and was taking them no problem. So it isn't like he can't deal with numbers. He also has that black snow attack that kills on contact.

    With his speed, Hellblaze, regen, etc. I think he could do it. Only real danger is Kamui.
     
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    The holy knights were relative fodder, only the top brass were any kind of threat.

    With the ninjas they have tons of techniques to assist and support, not to mention info gathering. Shadow clones, combo techniques, sealing, summoning, etc.

    The ninja’s have mindfucks like the mind transfer, paralysis through shadow possession jutsu. If he gets caught in those he’s almost certainly fucked
     
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    What was Hendrickson's DC and speed?
     
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    Most of that won't matter since Hendy can fly and has plenty of AoE with Hellblaze and other attacks.

    At least city level since he was stronger than all the present Sins and fast enough to blitz people like Mel and Gilthunder.
     
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    Not really. A fodder holy knight like twigo has the physicality to have large building level air slashes that can raze forest. Guilla even without demon blood could mess with the uber casual sins, had an mcb+ feat of her own, and could be argued to be town+. The fodder had some decent looking abilities but gowther mindfuck and mel's full counter fodderized them.

    Throw in howzer, gil, and the sins and that's alot of firepower.

    Basically if hendy goes AOE mode on the fodder, I think he could clean up the high tiers present. Flight is also a problem. Kamui is his biggest worry outside of getting gimped by some rogue ninja using hax like mindtransfer. But even then I'm not sure it would even work, given obito and sakura have powered their way through it.
     
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    Fodder in Naruto are MCB to town level. With combo jutsus from them hitting city level, so even they are somewhat of a threat together.

    They got through it by having mindfuck resistance, Sakura’s being that she had some kind of 2nd thing in her mind. Since when does Hendy have any mindfuck resistance?
     
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    True I was just pointing out people like Gil and guilla alone whipe the floor with all the fodder themselves, let alone all the sins + knights+ fodder that were present vs hendy. They have no answer to his aoe

    They willed out of it, just like sakura did. Hendy is literally being corrupted by demonic presence and has an immense power level.
     
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    Shishienjin can withstand the force of multiple, Kage-level ninja doing battle and can be erected by literal no-names.


    Mind-transfer, shadow possession, Kamui, and basically any barrier or seal worth its salt is going to be able to one-shot Hendy.
     
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    Lol at fodder getting to their positions and setting up the barrier before Hendy AOE's them to death.

    Fodder Red Demons alone have AOE like this with Hellfire (which is pretty much amaterasu in NnT)


    Shadow possession has limits as we saw with Tayuya overpowering it, and KN Kinkaku, and Demon Hendy > him physically.

    Sniping Hendy will be hard given his AOE and speed. They can't just shoot blindly and odds are Hendy boots them out rather quick.

    Kamui is the only thing that had real odds of ending this fight.

    Very few ninja here are city level and are gonna get turned into black snow mummies, burned to crisp, or vaped by the darkness.
     
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    Yeah. So much prep time. Must be why these scrubs weren't able to lock-down a Hokage candidate mid-fight....oh wait. :maybe

    Also, what kind of speed gap are we dealing with?

    There is literally an entire branch of ninjas dedicated to erecting city-sized barriers. There is already a sensory barrier in place over the entirety of Konoha. Then you have the ones used when they tried to keep Bee and Naruto on the turtle.

    Also, the snow is basically no threat. Wind jutsu are a common thing, and they can be massive.

    Tayuya wore Shikamaru down over time. Kinkaku was held for a few seconds. More than enough time for a Kamui snipe.

    Really? I wouldn't know what Kinkaku scales to off the top of my head.

    "Basic info" does not include the mechanics of a secret ninjutsu that uses an invisible projectile. Odds are he completely ignores people that appear to be doing nothing.
     
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    Riggghht because Hendy is gonna let that happen. they literally have to line up in a square formation within like 10m of him. They get blown to smithereens.
    Too bad they weren't fighting someone with Hendy's arsenal and stats, or that might be relevant here.

    Lower high tiers are like mach 90 from FRS speed. Hendy is mach 277. So pretty much only Kakashi, Hiashi, Tsunade and the like are getting that scaling here which gives Hendy a comfortable 3x advantage over them in addition to flight, and pretty sure he blitzes the fodder.

    Who will get wiped out as said branch before they can put said barrier up. You're trying to use feats vs rogue edo's who were outnumbered and no where near Hendy in arsenal, stats, etc.

    Sensory barrier is pretty useless here.

    Those were specialized people with massive prep over a non combat area. Not sure how they are relevant here, when Hendy can crisp them before they wipe the smudge off of their forehead protectors.

    This is pretty ignorant. Hendy can trap a set amount of people in place, and proceed to wreck the others with his stats and other moves. Keeping those people stuck in space. Also in this battlefield with so many people even if fuuton users come they will still blow the black snow somewhere where it's likely to hit others. It's not just going to disappear.

    Not to mention uhhh, Massive fuutons vs Hendy's hellfire...


    Ok it still goes to show raw power can overcome the possession. She wasn't able to do anything close before going CS2.

    and then broke out with raw power.

    Assuming kakashi is close enough, assuming all shadow users aren't dead, and assuming they can time it perfectly on the battlefield than ok, maybe this is a shot. But is it likely to actually happen? No. Like I said they have really no counters to Hendy's AOE and speed/flight.


    Pretty sure it is town level.


    Hendy has sensing.

    Hendy is going to be moving around at speeds >>> Yamanaka fodder.

    Hendy is going to be blowing shit up with vast AOE blocking LOS and disorienting people/throwing stuff everywhere. Hardly the place for accurate snipes.

    We have never seen a yamanaka do the switch under such circumstances. They need a straight line and concentration. The best feat was vs a stationary target, and with help from a hyuuga, and Obito lol noped it.
     
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    Thanks. I think that won't be enough to clear Konoha. Top-tiers with 23Gt and 4k mach could solo with no problem.
    But Byakugou Tsunade could throw city lvl punches (stronger than Rock Lee and gang) and could react to the likes of Edo Madara. Kakashi also can track Pain with his Kamui. Then they have around 10,000 fodders for utility and Tsunade would focus on attack this time and Katsuyu will be used offensively. So I would say Hendrickson only has 40/60 chance to clear most of the times unless he gets full-intel and takes them out one-by-one.
     
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    Tsunade won't be too much of a problem. By herself she is wayyyy to slow, and Hendy has two ways around her regen via death manipulation and hellfire which negates regen on levels higher than hers. In addition he has better regen than her. Both of them at this point in time are mach 90.

    Most of the fodder really can't even get close. Dark Nebula, and AOE hellfire are going to do alot of damage. We saw how much colateral damage Itachi's amaterasu could do to surroundings when he fought Sasuke and that was overtime. Hendy can flush out hellfire (amaterasu) in much greater AOE than that and instantly.

    Katsuyya is pretty hardcountered by Hellfire Imo.

    Plus flight kinda makes Hendy much more troublesome for the Narutoverse so I think he has good odds here.
     
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    Hendy is fucked.
     
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    He was out of town during the Pein invasion. So he doesn't count. :maybe
     
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    A. It gets much larger than that. Kind of figured this scan was iconic enough not to include it.

    B. They did it to a Naruto top-tier (at least via hype). Hendy can suck it.

    C. They don't need to trap Hendy, it could be used to protect key players.

    Naruto. Top-tier.

    There are several miles of up and away for them to work with. Nobody cares if it hits some other village down the road. Fuck 'em. The snow isn't going to work as passive damage.

    This was just to show the scope of the barriers that are passively in place 24/7.

    This seems to assume either, A) Hendi knows where everyone is and what they are doing or B) Hendi is just gonna insta-nuke the whole city.

    Yes, a lot of these counters would fail if someone tried them in front of Hendy's face. But Hendy is attacking a city-sized military installation. Not every potential threat is going to run out and meet him in the streets. Even if they did, he can't be everywhere at once.

    That's a fair counter.

    A. You have already admitted that Kakashi is one of the largest threats in play. Where is he going to be if not on the front-line? Where was the first place he went during the Pain Arc?

    B. You are crazily down-playing Kakashi's scope and speed with Kamui. Even before his War Arc zenkai, he had already hit a moving target (who was in flight), completely negated Deidara's explosion, and reacted to an ST projectile. The Deidara attack had to be warped from behind his team, without hitting them, before the explosion could catch them.

    Kakashi's finesse with Kamui is above reproach and the scope of the attacks he can consume has always been huge. Even before he started talking about absorbing Bijudamas.

    A. OG Ino-Shika-Cho are not fodder.
    B. Shadow Possession is still a thing.
    C. The Ino-Shika combo can piggyback off of stronger ninja; see Kakashi v Zabuza in the War Arc.

    There are at least 3 ninjas present who can directly confront Hendy. He isn't just going to be off doing whatever the fuck he wants. He can't hand-wave, Kakashi, Tsunade, or Hiashi; who all have counters to his ranged attacks - Kamui, regen, and rotation.

    Flight is a bit of an issue but between summons, insects, and Sai's drawings; mounts should be plentiful - albeit squishy. Easy come easy go.
     
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    Except what you aren't getting is that:
    1.) They need to get within his AOE range, which almost certaintly spells their death.
    2.) The scan you linked Hiruzen is being cornered while fighting Oro. They came out of nowhere and did the spell.

    This was also old Hiruzen who is not Hendy.

    3.) Hendy can legit fly right on out of it lmao.


    topkek at Old Hiruzen being top tier. Base Hendy would beat Hiruzen let alone any demon forms.

    Option A: Hendy flies over top and shoots hellfire into the barrier trapping them in a nice oven.

    Option B: Hendy shoots tendrils underground, or just digs under himself and emerges under.

    Pick your poison.


    Not at all the same or similar scenario.


    The snow is not soloing the whole village lmao. It's one move that can keep key players from moving. You still have yet to respond to the massive AOE of amaterasu that Hendy can casually lather on for miles, or dark nebula.


    The sensory one is, I don't believe it was ever stated that Konoha nin always keep the other one up, especially since it wasn't in Konoha IIRC.


    The latter is very, very likely.

    I don't think you understand the scope of his power. Red Demons can caually light up hundreds of kilometers of forest. Hendy >>>> Them. Amaterasu is a high tier jutsu in Naruto that has shut own Pein's cerberus, and even Hachibi. Miles of that spreading through the city are not only going to be killing massive amounts of ninja, but also making the terrain a place where the shinobi can't practically fight. Meanwhile Hendy can speed on through the fodder, and sweep up the rest while also adding more damage via fire/darkness.


    I don't see how this helps. Kakashi was pretty much useless in front of Pein's ST. Even when Pein was using AOE of only a dozen meters or so, Kakashi was getting pasted by ST. Kamui was only an option for him when Pein was stationary and attempting to put the nail in his head, and when Kakashi intercepted the missile from Mecha path. None of that shows me how he is going to tag a mach 277 flier whose going to be using large scale AOE to create havoc to the terrain and block LOS.

    Being in front of the lines is only worst, as he and the Yamanaka/Nara's are going to be the first ones hit with AOE.

    Not at all, I think you are conflating the feats.

    Diedara's flight speed was not all that impressive, and Kakashi also JUST got Diedara's arm after some time. Hendy is much faster, and more agile (he is actually flying).

    A good speed feat, but it was a large explosion taking up pretty much all of his LOS. Still much smaller than what Hendy is working with here, and unfortunately for Kakashi he can't spam his MS like in the war arc.

    once again, those are good feats. But Hendy is faster, and has more AOE than what those feats entail. I already stated Kamui is the main way to win here, so I'm not saying it's impossible.

    A building level explosion he barely got isn't helping him vs Kilometers of AOE.

    Hendy is faster than Kakashi and those people the feats were on.


    True but kinda irrelevant, especially since old Ino didn't get on the battlefield IIRC.

    already covered this.

    Which would be cool if AOE didn't erase most fodder off the bat.


    He really is though, as he has done this to 10+ city level characters from his own verse.

    Outside of his Kamui Kakashi is getting babyshook. He's town level physically.

    is getting babyshook in CqC, and her regen is lol countered by hellfire, and darkness.

    Outside of his rotation is going to get babyshook. He's town level with city level barriers.

    Kamui is limited to a max 2 shots, and can only deal with very small AOE stuff.

    Tsunade's regen is worthless here.

    rotation is just going to spread around hellfire and darkness into his allies/terrain, and Hendy can just spam shit until he runs out of spin, and gets murked like Neji.

    What?

    Sai's creations get casually decimated lmao. Haku took a whole team out of the air with a sneak attack and he's slower with no flight or AOE. Hendy waves his palm and they crash and die.

    What summons? You mean Aoba's crows?

    Insects lmao? Hendy can just use dark nebula (which irradiates from his body as the center in all directions) or hellfire and treat them as less than a nuisance.
     
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    Ugh. Before I go through this piece by piece, I need to clarify something.

    When I said top tier, I was talking about Dan. Four ninjas, all with literally no name, caged someone on par with the young sanin.

    Clarification: I said Kage-level, earlier, because I could have sworn Tsunade mentioned him actually being a contender for 4th. I can't find that now though, just him saying he wanted to be Hokage.
     
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    Dan is not a Naruto top tier. At best he had elite jounin to low kage stats and had a really haxed jutsu which is the whole reason they trapped him in the barrier.

    You can't conflate that performance of a humanoid shinobi with a ghost possession technique getting caught by a squadron, to a demon fighter with vast AOE and much better inherent stats that can also fly.

    It's 6am here so I'm gonna bounce for now.
     
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    Kinkaku was at least small city to city level, he had a V2 Jin mode from Kurama’s chakra, just to clarify
     
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    How do you guys feel about the bonus round against SM Naruto?

    Iirc she only broke the ribs of his skeletal Susanoo.
     
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    I believe it. Was that before or after Byakugou?
     
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    Alright so I just checked that actual chapter for context.

    She broke it while using Byakugou, but only after Mei and Raikage weakened it first. And that was only the ribcage.
     
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