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Here is how Whitebeard,Garp,Roger,Rocks all rank up against each other

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Extravlad, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:53 AM.

  1. Extravlad

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    Prime Whitebeard = Prime Roger > Prime Garp ?? Rocks

    -Rocks is inferior to WB and Roger, Sengoku said that no pirate in history has a bounty higher than WB or Roger meaning the WG deemed them more dangerous even though they weren't madmen like ROCKS and didn't have all star crews

    -Whitebeard was not in his prime at God Valley, both 9th magazine AND Volume 1000 confirms WB reached his Prime at age 38.

    -Earliest mention of Roger's Prime also come from Volume 1000, he was in his golden era on the same year as WB, meaning 2 years AFTER God Valley.

    -9th Magazine says Garp fought Chinjao for years with no clear winners because finally beating him, this was POST GOD VALLEY, Garp needed YEARS to beat Chinjao AFTER the event of God Valley, anyone here willing to claim that Chinjao was near Roger/WB level? Like for real? Garp just wasn't as strong as them

    -Buggy's "WB only man to be tied with Roger" statement doesn't invalidate Roger's "We almost killed each other countless times" statement because Roger had a 30+ years pirate career, Buggy only speaks of Roger's final journey in his prime, that means Garp has almost killed Roger BEFORE Buggy joined him, so it might have happened in their youth, before Roger entered his Prime.

    -Sengoku is Garp's best friend and knows his full power, still he says "The strongest man in the world is about to attack" when Whitebeard launches himself on to the battlefield, that sentence kills any chance of Garp=WB being true.

    -Rocks vs Garp is impossible to know, the fact that Roger/Garp teamed up to beat his crew doesn't mean they needed to 2V1 him necessarely.
     
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    Prime doesn't just start at the earliest mention of someone being in their prime.

    In fact, it only being 2 years after God Valley, makes it very likely that Roger was nearing his prime or already at it at the time of God Valley, beating the whole point of this thread.
     
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    No.
    Because even if Roger was in his Prime at God Valley (unconfirmed) it doesn't prove he's equal to Garp.
    Luffy was much stronger than Law when they took out Doflamingo.

    They teamed up because ROX had a better crew than Roger, not because ROX is stated to be stronger than Roger.
     
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    And it's not confirmed that he only reached prime after God Valley. In fact, it's more likely that he already had reached it during God Valley, considering he was...39 or something? You said yourself that WB reached his at 38.

    Law doesn't have the capacity to put Luffy in life or death situations even if he wanted to. Garp clearly had the capacity to do that to Roger, it's stated as much. It's nowhere near a valid comparison.

    True, but we don't know how strong Rock's crew was in relation to him and vice versa . The trend seems to be in top tier crews that the captain can solo the entire crew.

    My point being, it's entirely possible that Garp or Roger were stronger than all of Rock's crew by themselves. Meaning, it's still possible that Xebec was stronger than Roger or Garp in a 1v1.

    Also, the bounty argument is a bit weak. Rocks clearly posed the biggest danger to the WG out of any pirate ever, maybe he just didn't have the time to accumulate the same bounty over time as Roger or WB, considering his run got cut short(Rocks formed 2+ years before God Valley).
     
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    I agree that Rox was weaker than Prime Roger and Prime WB. He's probably not that much weaker, I can see him being around Prime Garp's level (whom I have slightly under Prime Roger/WB). Worst case he was Yonko level.

    I'd love to get more details or even see the flashback of what happened at God's Valley. idk why but I can imagine WB not fully helping the ROX pirates, just a gut feeling. I could see him choosing to leave the battle early bcuz while he is a pirate, he is clearly not as malicious as most of the Rox pirates.
     
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    Age doesn't matter when reaching your prime.
    Whitebeard reached it 2 years after God Valley and Volume 1000 states Roger and WB were in their golden era that year, not the years before, there's no mention of Roger's prime the years before.

    Crocodile almost killed Luffy too.
    It's never said Garp has almost killed a Prime Roger, Buggy's statement would lead us to believe he never has. He was actively chasing Roger during his final journey yet Buggy has never seen him tie with Roger let alone almost kill him.

    Yea but that's definitely not happening here, hell I don't think Roger is soloing Rayleigh+Oden so Rocks definitely isn't taking on Whtiebeard+Shiki+Bigmom, I leave out Kaido as he must have been very young and not that strong but the other 3 are a sure source of strength especially WB/Shiki

    You act like Roger didn't have a crew.
    Rayleigh could have probably beaten any of Kaido or Bigmom 1V1 back then you know that right? Hell depending on their strength back then he might have soloed both.

    That's not the case since he got a lower bounty than either WB or Roger DESPITE being crazier than them, he was clearly not as strong as either in their prime.

    Reminder : WB/Roger = gold medalists
    Everyone else from that era = silver medalists
     
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    There is a reason that Rocks kept Big Mom, Kaido, Roger's, and Shiki in line. Rock's crew fucked with each other only to a point. That point was not daring to fuck with the Captain. He is the dude that fucked with World Nobles, the ones Pirates do not want to fuck with.
     
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    Regarding your 1st point: Bounties experience inflation over time and Roger and WB being part of the Great Pirate era following the Rocks era, it's not too hard to imagine why their bounties are higher.

    Also onto your 2nd point it doesn't say WB's prime was at 38 years old. There seems to be a lot of mistranslations being spread supposedly from Magazine 9.
     
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    They were in their golden era because they were unfuckable with after Rocks was annalihated lol. And I bet WB forming his own crew accelerated his growth astronomically, while Roger already had a very solid crew he was sailing with for decades. Post God Valley there was nobody there to challenge Roger outside of Garp, not until WB reached his prime. So believing that Roger had a very significant growth in those 2 years post God Valley is very unlikely.

    I don't see how Crocodile is relevant in this context because he was Luffy's opponent for literally one arc, while Luffy was growing in power very quickly. Garp and Roger had been at each others throats for years.

    That's like, your opinion man.

    Also, Oden wasn't part of the crew at the time. And you're both making the argument that WB was significantly weaker before reaching his prime and that he was significantly strong relative to Roger/Garp during God Valley at the same time lol.

    Do we even know if Roger had his crew with him? It wasn't confirmed. The only panel of the fight is Roger + Garp vs the main Rocks pirates. And as far as I remember, it's only mentioned that "Roger and Garp teamed up against Rocks pirates" not that "Roger pirates and Garp" teamed up.

    So you're saying the duration of a pirate crew's existence has no effect on it's bounty??

    Also, you just equated bounty with strength and just destroyed your own argument.
    Roger's 5.5 bil bounty > Whitebeard's 5bil bounty

    :oldshrug
     
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    Why does what a magazine has to say about garp versus chinjao matter?
     
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    Headcanon is headcanon.
     
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    Roger: 100
    WB: 100
    Rocks: 99
    Garp: 98
     
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    As expected Extravlad.

    Still putting Garp under Roger.

    Man you should be truly ashamed.
     
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    Garp the Fraud never amounted to anything. Piece of shit useless old fuck.

    No one in the entire manga said anything about Garp being Roger’s equal. That’s purely head cannon.

    Its like saying Lebron James is the greatest basketplayer of all time because he was against rookies during his tenure with the NBA and no one was on his level to give him a real fight. I mean, Garp took years to finish off Chinjao? That weak ass fool? Rofl
     
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    Rocks-100
    Roger-100

    Sick Roger-50
    Primebeard-45
    36 year old subordinate with two years to go- 40

    ^The only ranking that makes sense.
     
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    Yes, Garp AND Roger fought DCJ numerous times after the Rox incident, but let’s ignore Rogers name lol, either read and take all the necessary information or just forget about the whole point.

    Rox bounty is also unknown and more then likely written off because everything about him and his crew has been hidden from the world.

    Buggy’s words mean nothing, when Sengoku turned around and said Rox was Rogers biggest rival and we saw in the Fb that Roger and WB only ever had friendlies.

    and as far as I’m concerned, Rogers words> Sengokus> Buggy’s, which puts Garp at the top Rox second and WB as Rogers third rival.

    Garp~ Roger~ WB~> Rox
     
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    That schtick is old, lame, and no one is entertained by it. Try something else big fella.
     
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    What? Garp doesn’t have any real feats that he can claim for himself.

    Garp “captured” Roger. This was a lie and it was revealed that Roger turned himself in.

    Garp is The Hero of the Marines. Well, that shit is a lie since he worked with the most wanted number 1 pirate king Roger. Which is pretty embarassing and not a Marine-ish thing to do.

    The only feat that Garp has is beating Chinjao AFTER TRAINING FOR YEARS! :hestonpls

    Everything about Garp is a generic shonen formula of “old dude used as a plot device who will die in the future at the hands of the final villain” he’s like the rest of the old dudes in popular manga series like Jiraiya, Netero, Whitebeard, etc. They are all portrayed as one of the or the strongest in the series but get hilariously murdered and no diffed by the bad guys. This is the same exact case with Garp, all hype - no bite.
     
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    Garp is equal to Roger and WB, not sure how people still haven't realized that.
     
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    yea that prime whitebeard being stronger than prime garp shit dont fly nomore.

    Garp =Roger
     
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    Roger found One Piece and knew about the hidden century, Whitebeard didn't. The bounty gap makes sense just based on that, I feel.
     
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    Issue with the thread is your going off bounty as a Power level assessment for Rocks. Bounty are not reliable for power level discussion most of the time.

    I agree with you that Roger and WB > Garp, but I think his Clash with Chinjoa gets misinterpreted. Gary trained Years to overcome Chinjos Drill specially; given that Chinjoa drill is far stronger then any other part of him as character; this means Garp was overall far stronger then Chinjoa. It’s like someone intentionally taking on King Punch’s Punch; while they could wreck them otherwise.
     
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    EOS Teach > Kaidou = Roger > Akainu = WB = Garp > Sick Roger
     
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    How is WB above Sick Roger; when Sick Roger fought evenly with him during Oden’s flashback
     
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    I think Oda showed WB as being the superior during the flashback.

    When Oden was writing in his journal, he was saying how he met new types of cold and warm, buildings, animals, then he said a new type of strfnth. and it was a WB panel stopping the giant.

    Most people think he was referring to the giant but I think he was referring to WB. Mostly about his strength and DF too. And we saw for sure that WB had his DF during the fight with Roger but he probably didn't use it to fuck up everyone.

    It makes more sense for prime WB to be above sick Roger in an all out fight to the death.
     
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    Except that’s not what we were shown; they were equals and Roger thought their fight could end in mutual death. So I’m going to go with Roger’s estimate
     
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    Roger was just talking and you know that.. It was just one of those flashy moments.

    Even if it wasn't. When you reach a certain level, you can always take someome down with you or at least try and almost succeed. Doesn't mean anything though because this is just he said she said.

    WB would've replied with yeah Roger I'd like to see you try, after you give me your loot. Manly talk, nothing more.
     
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    You know what counters it just being talk? The fact that they literally tied.
     
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    It wasn't a fight to the death man lol. It was a friendly fight. They ended up exchanging gifts and crew mates lol

    If it was a fight to the death. WB would've probably won. I can't believe I'm saying that I hate WB but it's what it is
     
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