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Hiraishinless Minato vs 3T WA Sasuke

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Vrizu, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. Vrizu Well-Known Member

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    Location: Bell test training field.
    Distance: 20m
    Restrictions: Hiraishin, anything above 3T, SM, Shikifūjin, Kirin.
    Knowledge: manga, post Jubiito fight for both.

    Sasuke has his choku tomoe precog.
     
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    He only has that when his EMS is activated.
     
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    I see, my bad I forgot that one.
    But the point is I want to see NBD opinions about Minato's base speed vs Choku tomoe precog, so just for this thread let's say Sasuke has his choku tomoe precog on 3T too.
     
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    This is basically BoS Sasuke+ vs Minato w/o FTG

    Sasuke wins mid diff.
     
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    I think Minato would lose even without it.
     
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    Minato goes SM and destroys Sasuke.
     
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    SM is restricted.
     
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    I still think Minato may win. He's still an incredible fast ninja and his reaction is top notch.
     
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    So Minato has:
    Reactions
    Speed
    ......

    And you believe that's enough to beat sasuke?
     
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    Even if Sasuke doesn't have EMS, his reaction time could've only improved after fighting JJ Obito.

    Physically, I can see Sasuke having some issues keeping up with Minato's shunshin, even so 3T pseudo-precog should carry him to a W.

    Sauce wins, moderate diff.
     
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    Let's not forget Rasengan!
     
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    Rasengan has a bad track record against Sasuke :maybe
     
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    Personally, I see Sauce as the winner. He is like his version from earlier episodes of Shippuden, with one big difference-he is stronger. He still has Chidori attacks,Sharingan to follow movements and Genjutsu. Minato is very fast without FTG, but I don't see him avoiding Chidori.
     
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    Minato wins. Sasukes precognition were helped by the fact that he could use susanoo, here he has to physically move to avoid , with clones summons and sunshin minato should win it
     
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  15. MShadows Deathbat

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    Minato's speed and reflexes are still superior to Sasuke's.

    Without EMS Sasuke doesn't have the arsenal to put down Minato.

    Katons are fodder and Chidori is countered by Rasengan. The Yellow Flash eventually wins.
     
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    Sasuke might have superior reactions thanks to EMS, but superior reactions didn't help A defeat Minato.

    Minato is still faster and has more firepower thanks to Rasengan and FCD, and thanks to KB feints he can create openings to use and kill Sasuke with a Big Rasengan.
     
  17. WorldsStrongest Dio With It

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    Minatos speed is shit tier compared to what Sauce could deal with

    Even pre Choku tomoe, he could react to the Raikage who is physically much faster than Minato w/o FTG

    Sasuke himself is also portrayed as peer to KCM Minato and Naruto...And could physically move in response to JJ tier speeds...

    Base Minato is nothing next to that

    Sasuke could actually have the speed edge over Minato here ironically

    Minato himself with FTG off the table is also susceptible to Genjutsu, as he will have a much harder time avoiding eye contact

    Minatos only definitive edge here is his Odama tier rasengans, which will never land on sasuke as sauce can read minato like a book..In the event of a Chidori/Rasengan clash...

    Sasukes use of Genjutsu will also force Minato to stay out of CQC range altogether if hes smart...Or else Sauce would simply paralyze him and thats all she wrote



    In terms of summons, Minato is fucked because Sauce can just genjutsu Minatos and match them pound for pound with Aoda and other Boss snakes

    Sasuke also has ranged attacks in the form of his katons, and unlike Itachi, ...

    So we have...

    Minato
    • Better DC with close ranged Odama Rasengan
    • Toad summons that are susceptible to genjutsu
    • Maybe a speed advantage, but nothing Sasuek cant react to with ease
    Sasuke
    • Snake summons
    • Has superior defenses with fodder snakes
    • Comparable if not superior physical speed
    • Reactions to easily deal with Minatos speed even if Sauce is slower
    • Better ranged game that can probably 1 shot minato
    • Genjutsu hax to deter minato from ever even engaging in CQC and also negs his summons

    Sasuke wins here mid-high diff
     
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    Base minato is basically base naruto with significantly better stats and some sealing techs which probably would be useless here since he only used sealing techs for bijuu or to mark people for ftg use, his physical speed shouldn't be much better than v2 raikage or even v1,

    War arc sasuke has juubito level reaction and maybe v2 raikage level speed along with his various arsenal of jutsu.

    So Sasuke wins
     
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  19. MShadows Deathbat

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    The Minato downplay is disgusting.

    He isn't losing to a mere 3 tomoe Sharingan user unless it's Sasuke after his Sage of Six Paths chakra boost self and onward.
     
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    Raikage completely and utterly blitzed MS Sasuke's on panel.
     
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    So what if Sasuke can react to Minato's speed. Is Minato paraplegic here or what? He can deal with Sasuke's speed and every attack he can throw at him even more easily than vice-versa.

    Minato mid diffs this shit. Between 3 boss frog summons, 2 sages, kage bunshins, rasengans the size of basketballs(spare me the fodder snake defense, a rasengan would bypass that no sweat), barriers and seals that can fuck Kurama over he has more than enough to deal with a small fry like 3t Sasuke.
     
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    Minato wins mid diff. He is faster then A4 the same ninja who speedblitzed Sasuke with no problems. While he doesn't have Hiraishin or Sage Mode, he still does have his boss summons. With Minato's contract seal he can take away Sasuke's use of summonings under his control, whether they are controlled by Genjutsu or not. Even with Sharingan Precog Sasuke can't react to his attacks even if he can see them. Minato's mere shushin should be enough to overwhelm Sasuke. And Minato isn't dumb enough to get caught by a simple Genjutsu: Sharingan. Minato won't make eye contact with Sasuke.
     
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    Sasuke started to follow Juubi Jin Obito speed who's clearly above Minato so Sasuke shouldn't have to many problems keeping up and reacting to him. Either Minato lands a type of sealing jutsu to get the win or he'd likely get overwhelm by Sasuke who can match/counter whatever Minato can dish out
     
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    Not seeing what Minato has going for him here. His entire fighting style revolves around Hiraishin and it's variants, and his next best asset, his natural speed and reflex, is not going to be an issue for Sasuke since he could follow and outmanoeuvre someone with comparable reflex and greater natural speed, while weaker and with failing eyesight.

    Outside of that it's summons he can control or match with his own, Shadow Clones, and Rasengans he can get the better of with his own Chidori variants.

    What did Minato do without Hiraishin to suggest a 3T Sharingan user can never beat him?:hm
     
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    We've seen that ever since Minato was introduced until the manga ended that his hype and portrayal was almost exclusively dependent on his FTG; dealing with Biju, Bijudamas, tagging the opponent, escaping V2 Raikage, etc. Even the options presented in this thread for Minato's win he has always used them in conjunction with FTG: Rasengan, clones, etc.

    How are summons and Rasengan a problem for Sasuke, who has his own summons on top of being able to genjutsu Minato's? How's Rasengan a problem for Sasuke when he has better variants in the form of Chidori? How are Kage bunshins are a threat to Sasuke with Minato's non-existent cloning feints or hype? How is Minato's base speed a problem for Sasuke who is the poster child for "I'm good against speedsters"?

    Sasuke wins 10/10, all he's facing a quick shinobi who has Rasengan and Gamabunta.
    That same Raikage would have one-shotted Minato if it wasn't for Hiraishin which he doesn't have here so I'm not sure why the comparison is somehow against Sasuke.
     
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  26. WorldsStrongest Dio With It

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    No ones saying Minato cant react to Sasuke...

    But Sasuke is the one with likely better physical speed and factually better reaction feats here

    Minato is not dealing sauces speed any easier than sauce deals with minatos as per feats

    No idea where you get the notion that a dude who could react to and tag JJs is suddenly at a misstep against BASE Minato...

    Wow
    That sauce can neg with genjutsu hypnosis or counter with his own summons

    Summons effectively cancel out in this thread

    What with the fact that both fighters possesses them, and both fighters have 1 shot methods to deal with summons even ignoring their own contracts

    Rather than go in circles wanking which summons are better, its far easier to just concede that both counter each other and Kaiju become a non factor/stalemate scenario
    That Minato would never be able to summon...

    Not without FTG to cover his ass, or a Summon to carry him around for the duration of the summoning where he cant use his goddamn hands...

    Not to mention this is horribly OOC...Minato doesnt like sitting still for the short amount of time it takes him to enter SM...But you think hes gonna do it for the sages to augment said SM that he cant even use?

    Kay...
    That he isnt all that adept with in terms of subterfuge

    And that Sasuke has made a career out of bitching in straight fights

    Naruto has thrown clones at sasuke in the dozens if not hundreds and every single time Sasuke sends em packing
    Doubtful

    The explosion that the snake blocked for Sasuke was huge

    And it only sustained superficial surface injuries, not like it was missing chunks of itself like one would expect from an explosion of that size at point blank range

    And if the Rasengan doesnt tag Sasuke directly....Even if it murders the snake bloody...It isnt hurting Sasuke...All the snake needs to do is intercept the Rasengan and he has done his job and Sasuek is safe from it

    Sasuke can also simply dodge at the last second liek he did to A who is faster than minato

    Or, Minato himself never opts to get close enough out of fear of being genjutsued at closer ranges
    Totally unknown quantity

    We have no idea what kind of barriers minato can use or what their purposes are

    Total dart to the dart board here

    Non factor in other words
    How is Biju suppression useful on a guy who doesnt have a biju :drake

    Especially with RDS restricted :drake

    And even if RDS was on the table...Thats a draw at best
    Not for the above reasons he shouldnt
    Minato is faster with and ONLY with FTG

    That he doesnt have...As you yourself just stated
    >A version of Sasuke with inferior eyes and inferior physical speed to WA Sasuke reacts to A, who is faster than Minato
    >Sasuke in the WA reacts to JJ levels of speed, JJs being much faster than A
    >"Sasuke cant react to minatos attacks even with precog"

    :drake
    Cept no

    Not even close
    Intellect has nothing to do with Genjutsu avoidance

    Sasuke has caught seasoned and experienced intelligent battle veterans in his illusions

    And Minato without FTG doesnt have the abilities that half of the people Sasuke has caught with genjutsu did
    It aint even close to that easy

    Sharingan genjutsu is routinely portrayed as a technique that is very difficult to avoid

    Gai needed to train for years to be able to fight effectively without looking at his opponents eyes

    Minato isnt gonna just wing that shit on the fly...Especially not if he opts for close combat
     
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    I didn't make a comparison, I just clarify it for people who forget and says MS Sasuke able to track A4. Also, you are making power comparison when people arguing speed. Raikage easily defeats if not one-shots Minato and Sasuke physically and two of them never take a hit from A4 with their body.
     
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    He could physically react to V1 A...Who is faster than Minato anyway...

    And could mentally react to V2 A...Who is MUCH faster than Minato

    And again, that was a physically slower Sasuke, with inferior eyes

    He is capable of far more impressive shit now...Like dealing with JJ tier speed and keeping pace with KCM and FTG users for instance

    Basically no matter what angle you look at this from, Minatos speed advantage (if he even has one) does him no favors because Sasuke can and has dealt with much faster individuals
     
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    This is based on?
    Three summons at once
    wow!

    Minato can effectively take control of his summon with partner method or contract seal , sasuke on the other hand loses contract with his summon a simmple equation



    @Hussain where are you at ?
     
  30. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't really interested in this thread.

    Minato's entire fighting-style is based on FTG. He did not show much else like with elements, damaging sealing jutsu...etc.
    So, when you take FTG, what else is there to use in this match? :catshrug

    But even then, I don't think 3T Sasuke can win here. Minato is faster than him, and smarter. Most definitely has more chakra than him as well. The strongest jutsu Sasuke has would be his Chidori which can match Naruto's hand-sized Rasnegan. So, that should put Minato's Rasengan above it comfortably. :catshrug
     
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