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Hollywood is pushed out of foreign box offices = 2 US movie cultures?

Discussion in 'Konoha Theatre' started by The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    I could see it happening. India, China and Russia can make large scale spectacle. Is America so divided that Red State and Blue State movie goers will just go their separate way with most movies appealing only 1 culture instead of both?
     
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  2. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    I enjoy Black Panther...I find The Last Jedi to be the destruction of a saga.

    Liberal or Conservative...if its good then it is good.
     
  3. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    I could imagine someone saying that after a Superbowl and that got very political.
     
  4. Suigetsu Fresh Prince

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    TBH those countries are getting tired of Hollywoods biased garbage products. Besides, movie investment has become a target for millionare philantropists thus why the big budget foreign films are beggining to appear. I wonder if hollywood will wake or will they forever refugee within their own continent.
     
  5. Mider T VM Rapist

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    I figured coming into this thread that this was all baseless conjecture, but the first sentence proved it.
     
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  6. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    It only proves your unfamiliarity with movies.
     
  7. Mider T VM Rapist

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    Oh really? Please explain your superior film knowledge.
     
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  8. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    I have a more global view than you for starters.
     
  9. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    Look, as long as you aren't standing on a soap box and literally preaching down to me, then I am cool.

    Just make a good film.

    I can enjoy Steven Universe and Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns despite the extreme difference in political viewpoints.

    The pendulum swings both ways. Most people at heart are not Alt right conservatives nor are they tree hugging hippie. Those voices may be the loudest, but they don't represent the people as a whole.

    People at heart just want to be entertained.
     
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  10. Mider T VM Rapist

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    So elaborate on the OP. Explain the nuances of Bollywood, Euorpean, Russian, and Chinese film markets.
     
  11. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    So you don't think those countries can't make large scale spectacle?

    Dark Knight Returns is inherently right wing?
     
  12. Mider T VM Rapist

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    How come everytime I ask you for an explanation you answer with some unrelated question?
     
  13. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    How come right wing posters understand what i write?
     
  14. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    Oh absolutely, the mayor of the city tries to negotiate with the leader of the Mutants and fails miserably.
    There is a point where the feel good psychologist blames Batman and says Joker can be reformed, but instead he dies by the Joker.
    One of the talking heads is very liberal, but says he doesn't live near the ghetto. This draws upon the classic saying, "A liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet."
    Batman even rides into town on a horse and poses like Clint Eastwood.
    Two-Face can't be reformed either even with the face being normal.
    Appeals to Fascism with Batman torturing a criminal in front of a cop.
    New generation, calling themselves mutants, has no guidance until Batman shows up.

    I was like, I get it Frank, you hate liberals.

    However I let all of this slide because DKR is a story about an old man trying his best to save his city. Yes he fails and he struggles. Ultimately he did his best to get the job done. Also it wasn't ham-fisted in. The story from beginning to finish had right wing leanings.

    Whether it be Black Panther or DKR, as long as it doesn't become straight up preachy, I am okay.
     
  15. Huey Freeman The Gent

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    get your dumb ass outta here. All countries your mention is still heavily influence from Hollywood. Most their movies are just carbon copies of Hollywood movies :rotfl
     
  16. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    Depends, Science Fiction is almost impossible to sell in India, Though Enthiraan did well. In China, certain films will obviously get banned and if other films underperform they will also get banned. Russia actually does like Bollywood films.

    Brokeback Mountain was banned in China for example.

    If I were an up and coming director with a brand new Scifi franchise, I wouldn't try to step foot in India without first testing the waters.

    If you want to make a film about gay characters, you may have trouble in both Russia and China.
     
  17. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    You know this based on watching...? What? Reading what?

    Oh, you meant the comic.
     
  18. Mider T VM Rapist

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    This whole thread is garbage, as usual:lmao
     
  19. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    A fine progressive sentiment you have there. Hollywood will forever dominate!!!!!!!!! For reasons... Long live the white executives heading them!!!!!!!
     
  20. reiatsuflow Well-Known Member

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    There's not a political divide with blockbuster movies. Military guys who hunt and don't believe in global warming still probably walked out of Avatar thinking it was fun. Trump states still threw gold at black panther. People make hay out of movies after the fact, but there's not a ton of divisive stuff in modern blockbusters no matter what a culture critic decides a movie means. Blockbusters want to make as much money as possible.

    As long as you're wearing your zentai latex while you're punching bad guys and blowing things up, people from all walks of life are into it.

    But conservatives have to deal with this level of politics constantly. It's so pervasive you don't even notice anymore. Even something as sophisticated as Arrival has the dumb military man listening to an alex jones show and then trying to blow up the aliens, a plotline invented by the filmmakers outside of the short story. Our whole entertainment culture is rooted in liberal politics. So much so that we actually mistake the idealism of rebelling against authority or upending/destabilizing the status quo as some intrinsic hero's journey myth. It's not, and it's only been popularized for maybe 60 years by western liberal politics.

    You don't want to take it too seriously, but it's something I always think about when people react to the (rare) politically conservative piece of entertainment. Like forest gump.

    I don't want conservatives getting annoyed every time there's some idealistic rebellious indigo child bullshit in a popular movie. The least everyone else could do in return is try to return the favor. You barely have to deal with it anyway.
     
  21. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    Right Wingers feel increasingly that the status quo is out to get them.
     
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    I think it is. Politically. The status quo in hollywood has been liberal for a long time and is majorly encouraging a lot of liberal views about the world. But it's also not, like, an insidious conspiracy. It's just the result of a lot of artistic types making a lot of liberal expressions about the world where authority tends to be fascist, rebellion and subversion against traditions tend to be romantic and the god fearing christian is probably going to turn out more dangerous than the secular character. I mean, this year's oscar winner Lady in the Water is one of thousands of examples way more egregious than the sounds of the batman comic Grimm mentioned.

    But, again, I don't think it's insidious. I think it's just incidental. Artistic types tend to be more politically liberal, so their expressions are more encouraging of that worldview. They might celebrate different family structures, showing two gay parents, showing adopted kids, showing divorced parents, etc. but they're not actually criticizing traditional family structures or saying they're inferior or something.
     
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  23. Suigetsu Fresh Prince

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    Thing is Hollywood its a nest of self absorbed liberals that feel that they can preach the world about what to do. Basically fame got over their heads. But other countries that dont have time to worry about first world problems and are more worried about bringing food to the table than feel itched because a miniority wasnt represented on a movie, wont have any of that crap. They go to the movies to have fun and enjoy themselves, not to be freaking preached.

    Also hollywood has become a place where having a moral compass is condemned. But then they go accusing conservative countries of being all kind of blasphemers.

    I understand he liked wonder woman very very much.
     
  24. Cardboard Tube Knight Breaking hearts; breaking rackets

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    Kamal is infecting another area of the forum with his baseless bullshit.
     
  25. Suigetsu Fresh Prince

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    lol, What other part did he invade?
     
  26. Cardboard Tube Knight Breaking hearts; breaking rackets

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    The Cafe is full of him just complaining about how everyone has a liberal bias and he’s the most intelligent of us and he’s like some worldly man above us all.
     
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  27. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    If the Cafe was not full of max level ad hominem in the first place...

    Probably home invaded some user's headspaces.

    Not just the cultural status quo in Hollywood, the CIA, the FBI, schools, universities...

    The Right feels less warm about all of those.


    They are increasingly illiberal.
     
  28. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    I am not just talking comics, even the Dark Knight had fairly conservative leanings. For example Batman was wire-tapping the entirety of gotham's cell phones. The Joker called himself an agent of chaos and wanted spread anarchy. Alfred point blank stated that some men can't be bargained or reasoned with.

    Bane in the Dark Knight Rises echoed the Occupy Wall Street movement. Bane himself was anti corporations and did away with the judges and police, turning Gotham into an anarchist state.

    The Lord of the Rings movies and the Chronicles of Narnia have deep religious themes.

    Superman himself has become a Jesus allegory in film.

    Classic Jurassic Park was a film about family at its very heart. Despite that one feminist line from Laura Dern, at heart Jurassic Park was a family film with Grant playing the role of father for the pseudo family.

    Nearly every Clint Eastwood film has a strong conservative stance.
     
  29. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    I define right more capitalist and left more socialist because otherwise i am even more confused on how left and right are used.
     
  30. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    Bane was an anti capitalist villain, it was pretty blatant.
     
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