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How does power level hierarchy between Jiren, god Toppo, and the other gods go now?

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Bogard, Feb 13, 2018.

How strong is Jiren?

  1. Angel level

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  2. Hakaishin level

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    31.6%
  3. Between Hakaishin and Angel level

    35 vote(s)
    61.4%
  4. Above Angels

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  5. Not sure

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    0.0%
  1. Gifted Yellow Rep Bar Someday

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    She said He’s probably stronger than Beerus.
     
  2. The Saiyan Prince Vegeta Well-Known Member

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    She didn't. She said the answer should be obvious based on their weight, which Champa reacted angrily at because he's fat while Beerus isn't. The implication from that is Beerus > Champa.

    I don't take it seriously though since it was clearly a gag statement.
     
  3. Juub Well-Known Member

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    And then while reminiscing about this comment, Whis was looking at Belmod.
     
  4. Gifted Yellow Rep Bar Someday

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    If Beerus is only stronger by weight then the gap in power should be small.
     
  5. Gifted Yellow Rep Bar Someday

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    Beerus>>>>Belmod.
     
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  6. The Saiyan Prince Vegeta Well-Known Member

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    It was a gag statement. It's not meant to be taken seriously. Beerus and Champa are obviously similar in terms of power.
     
  7. Juub Well-Known Member

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    Whis said Belmod was stronger so not sure where you're getting this from.
     
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    Belmod>>>others GoDs
     
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  9. Xiammes All For One Administrator

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    Whis did not. He specifically said "so it turns out the rumor was true". Whis was speaking of rumors, he did not know if it was true or not.
     
  10. Juub Well-Known Member

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    And literally a second before Whis replied to Kaioshin "Dare I say, stronger than a God of Destruction?". You'll have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to prove what you're claiming. Then you also had Belmod openly admit Jiren was stronger.
     
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  11. Xiammes All For One Administrator

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    Obviously he was looking at Belmod because it was obvious the rumor was speaking to Jiren. It doesn't change the fact that when Whis made the statement first, he was doing it in ignorance, he even prefaced that statement by saying "I don't know much about the other universes".
     
  12. Juub Well-Known Member

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    This doesn't matters. What matters is that Whis KNOWS that Belmod is stronger than Beerus.

    Whis now also knows that Jiren is stronger than Belmod.

    The fact it was a rumor is irrelevant. Belmod being stronger than Beerus isn't a rumor. Jiren being stronger than Belmod was a rumor but isn't a rumor any more.

    No matter how you slice it Jiren>Belmod>Beerus
     
  13. Xiammes All For One Administrator

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    Whis didn't know, he was repeating a rumor. The manga even states that it was the rat that Beerus lost the arm wrestling match too. You can say it doesn't count for the anime, but both follow Toriyama's outline and important world building aspects such as that would be shared between the two. Until its outright stated, we need to take everything with a grain of salt, surpassing Beerus is something that would be outright stated, not implied.
     
  14. Juub Well-Known Member

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    Manga doesn't matter in that case.

    Whis outright said that Belmod is stronger than Beerus. Beerus then retorted it was just an arms-wrestling match. Whis saw them and judged that Belmod was the stronger of the two. This isn't him repeating a rumor.

    The rumor is Jiren and since Belmod admitted Jiren was stronger, we know he is by extension stronger than Beerus.

    This is no implication. It's simply connecting two factual statements together.

    Whis says Belmod is stronger than Beerus. Not a rumor.

    Belmod says Jiren is stronger than himself. Not a rumor.

    Jiren is stronger than Beerus.

    We don't even need the rumor about Jiren for this to be true.
     
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  15. Reznor Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Test:
    <b>Test</b>
    Angels > Top GoDs > Jiren ? Beerus post-Whis training > Belmond > Beerus pre-training ? Champa > UI ? Jiren w/out Aura ? GoD Toppo > *Vegeta's New Form > SSBKK20 ? FP Toppo

    (*Not counting Final Explosion)

    We only know Jiren is only above the Hakaishin at full power, we only know Belmond > Beerus as of when they arm wrestled or whatever (likely before Beerus started UI training).
    Jiren had to bust out his aura to stop UI Goku's attacks and Goku ran out of UI before Jiren oneshot him. This was UI v1, not the one in the Kefla fight which is better.

    GoD Toppo is likely above Jiren's power without powering up.

    Vegeta needed Final Explosion to even hurt Toppo.
     
  16. Gordo solos David "Gordo" Gordon

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    Whis flat out said he believes Jiren is at the level of GoD or above (let’s be real here, he was using his own GoD as a benchmark when he said that). Jiren still hasn’t gone all out yet

    Pretty clear Jiren is above Beerus. Beerus might surpass Jiren if he trains though
     
  17. Juub Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how shit can get clearer.

    Whis: Beerus is 1, Belmod is 2.

    Belmod: Jiren is higher than I, I am a 2.

    Jiren is therefore at least a 3. No way around that. No rumor, no conjecture. Just statements that are clear as day.
     
  18. Gordo solos David "Gordo" Gordon

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    Whis: Looks like the rumors of a mortal that a Hakaishin cannot beat are true


    @Weiss Lucifer and other Beerus wankers: Fuck no Beerus would beat him cuz I say so :conspiracy
     
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    Angels

    Jiren

    Vermouth
    Beerus
    Other Hakaishin / Toppo
     
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    Angels > Beerus > Jiren > Pennywise
     
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  21. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Honestly i think there will be gods who are revealed to be stronger then jiren later.
     
  22. Gifted Yellow Rep Bar Someday

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    Didn’t he say the God beat him in an arm wrestle?

    Also it’s a rumor so it’s not confirmed onky Jiren>Belmod Part is confirmed.
     
  23. Juub Well-Known Member

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    No that was Beerus' excuse. Whis just said he was stronger.

    Of course Whis being the troll he is could have been just trying to fuck with Beerus.
     
  24. savior2005 Well-Known Member

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    Above average God of destruction level, but below angel level. he's closer to the gods than the angels.
     
  25. Gordo solos David "Gordo" Gordon

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    Champa > Beerus still because fat people > anorexics
     
  26. Gordo solos David "Gordo" Gordon

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    Belmod >= Beerus

    Jiren > Beerus
     
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  28. Gifted Yellow Rep Bar Someday

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    You are incorrect He wasn’t using his GoD as a benchmark he was using Belmod as a benchmark.

    Also being the level of a god means nothing considering SSB KKx10 Goku was considered to be the level of a god but would still get raped by Beerus.
     
  29. Gordo solos David "Gordo" Gordon

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    Belmod is physically stronger than Beerus, at best they’re even if you account experience. So either way, Beerus is weaker than Jiren

    No, he wasn’t



    I’ll take Whis’s words (ya know, the guy who trained Beerus and knows exactly what he’s capable of) over any Beerus fanboy’s headcanon, sorry
     
  30. Gifted Yellow Rep Bar Someday

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    That not true since Quitela wasn’t the one who was supposedly stronger than Beerus because he beat him in an arm wrestle.

    Also calling me a Beerus fanboy is pretty bold considering I’m only correcting the idiots like you who wank the fuck out of Jiren and Belmod.
     
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