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How is Big Mom disappointing in terms of strength?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Luiz, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    Oh, hello there Gohara.

    The moment I saw you listed in the alerts I knew you would make a suspect comparison with a Sand bagging Admiral and an enraged Meme out for blood.
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  2. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    calling BM weak because of things happened in this arc is equally calling WB weak because some fodder backstabbed him through his chest

    it was just for the plot where SHs survived
     
  3. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    But many readers read past the backstabbing and saw Whitebeard proceed to solo everyone in his wake. Meme can't even put down a Germa side character.
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  4. Dunno Well-Known Member

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    Luffy didn't send Fujitora flying, he pushed Fujitora back, and it didn't incapacitate Fujitora at all. Jinbei sent Big Mom flying, and she was incapacitated and unable to keep fighting. When Fujitora got serious, Luffy was unable to do anything. When Big Mom got serious, she was unable to do anything. Also, Fujitora showed that he could catch the SHs alone in one chapter if he wanted to, while Big Mom has shown that she can't do it even with the help of her whole crew, in her home territory, in several days, and with half of the SHs missing. The difference between their showings is like night and day.

    And Luffy took serious damage from Sengoku's punch while Chopper took no damage from Big Mom's attack. And why are you talking about the Yonkou in general? This is not about the Yonkou, it's specifically about Big Mom and her abysmal feats.
     
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  5. tupadre97 Well-Known Member

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    Big mom isnt what's disappointing its this garbage ass arc that is
     
  6. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    @ superstars.

    Fujitora joking around is assumptive and we know that Sengoku isn't trolling.

    @ Dunno.

    "Luffy didn't send Fujitora flying, he pushed Fujitora back"

    A pretty good distance.

    "and she was incapacitated and unable to keep fighting."

    The chase continues after that so I'm not sure what you mean when you suggest that.

    "When Fujitora got serious"

    The idea that Fujitora is thinking that way is assumptive. And if her character couldn't do anything they wouldn't be escaping.

    "Also, Fujitora showed that he could catch the SHs alone in one chapter if he wanted to"

    That's assuming that the protagonists characters have no way of countering an island degree of rubble which I have no idea why we would assume. It's true that Luffy bleeds from Sengoku's punch but I would hardly call it a significant wound as Luffy is able to withstand it even after being significantly battle worn. And an open palm trying to capture a character can hardly rightfully be called a technique. And there's also being nerfed vs. being fully healed. And there's also a fully healed Post Time Skip Chopper likely being > a significantly battle worn Pre Time Skip Luffy. Sengoku has significantly more advantages in that comparison. :p
     
  7. redrum cynical

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    she's dumb and her strength is somewhat situational leading to her getting clowned by people who are normally gnats to her

    this is obviously done to as a plot device to keep the sh crew alive but goddamn if oda didn't go full retard when it came to showcasing the first yonko in combat since wb :wow
     
  8. Mr. Black Leg The Ordeal of Love

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    The thread should have ended at this post.

    WB got a chunk out of his fucking brain blown out for fuck's sake and he still had strength enough to stomp someone in the level of fucking TEACH. While her attack didn't even injure BROOK. Do you know how big is the gap between Brook's dura and Teach ? Is THAT supposed to be the person in a stalemate with WHITEBEARD ? The person that is retarded enough so that she can't control herself in a tantrum caused because of some food ? A person who can't go like what ? 12 hours without food ? Maybe not even that. I'm seriously thinking to myself right now how the fuck WB never used a plan to defeat BM like " Hey Big Mom, I've got some delicious food down under the sea. Go get it, it's delicious " and just let her retarded ass drown. Or maybe even better, just fight her, since she apparently can't go some time without food in a verse that is known for the fact that there are fights that GO ENTIRE DAYS ! If she can't finish her opponent in the first few hours she might as well be dead. I know that comparing to WB, the strongest of the Yonko, isn't a fair comparison, but come on, Ace and Jimbe have better stamina than retarded fat ass Yonko. The worst part is that I legit thought that "Hey she is retarded ?Yes, but at least she will be in a rage so bad that whoever is opposing her will die quickly" and the fucker got outclassed by THE WEAK TRIO.
     
  9. Maxlee Warm bed

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    For me her saving grace are her "iron balloon" feats that makes her virtually immune to damage, and apparently even without using haki armament. Also her soul power should be relatively unstoppable powerful, but in the world of shounen, plot induced stupidity is often a thing so that our heroes can somewhat deal with it.

    If there is one thing I'm dissapointed about, it's something I saw someone else mention a while ago here too: Mama's initial reveal was like that of some sort of horrendous cave-dwelling monstrous creature that couldn't even properly stand up, as she was drooling acidic saliva and IIRC casually throwing disappointing subordinates into her mouth. I know this is an overly used shounen trick to have your incoming new villain covered in shadows and look all menacing as hell, but Mama genuinely looked like a sick monster to me.

    Then she was revealed as some obese happy joy joy singing aunt-lady in a pink dress while her powers made the trees and clouds sing and laugh ... although at times this was joyfully creepy as well ... but it's like that other user suggested that Oda decided to take her design and character in a different way than initial conceptualised.
     
  10. Mr. Black Leg The Ordeal of Love

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    @Gohara I'm not one to usually call people out by name and tell them they are retarded clowns, but first time for everything, right ? You are a retarded clown.

    Don't even compare being pushed back and suffering zero injuries to the level of weakness BM showed.

    First and foremost: Fujitora wasn't trying and if that's not clear in your mind, then stop reading the damn manga, he wasn't taking Luffy serious at all, in fact, Fujitora downright HELPED LUFFY ESCAPE a few chapters later, if not a few panels, so if you think there was a slightest seriousness coming from Fujitora you are retarded and can't read properly, you have serious problems with reading comprehension, and I say that as an educator.

    Second: Fujitora was pushed back ... So what ? Did he get hurt ? Did he got any injuries ? Did he treat it like "Oh that would have killed me hadn't I blocked" ? No. That shit was just a little push. I can physically push Anthony Joshua heavyweight champion of the world, even more if he's not taking me serious at all. I'd have a harder time even managing to land a hit on him tho.

    Third: Aokiji was literally thrown to the sky in his first appearance in the manga by Luffy. You mean to say that it means that Pre TS, Pre Gears Luffy > Aokiji ? I guess no.

    Now let me break it to you: it doesn't matter how you look at it, Big Mom will come out looking bad. If she's extremely depowered by being like 12 hours without food, "losing to the weak trio " level of depowered ? Then she has serious problems lacking in stamina, in a universe that has fights running for days. If she's not so depowered and just retarded ? Then it's fucking easy to trick and plot against Big Mom because of being such a immense retarded, hell, you could turn her own sons against her telling " Actually, Katakuri has the cake, and he won't give it to you because he wants to eat it", in the level of retardness she's shown, she might as well fall for this, and not only that she failed to even seriously injure Brook and Chopper with a direct strike.

    Do you know how much power do Chopper and Brook have in the new world ? They are bellow scrubs. They are so beneath guys like, IDK, Don Sai, it's not even funny . And Sai got swatted aside by Luffy casually.

    That's the type of people BM failed to hurt. An almost-brainless-heart-attacked-battle-worn-organs-fried-twice Whitebeard could hurt Teach.

    And because she's "hungry" BM can't hurt BROOK AND CHOPPER ? Come on, give me a break. If you think that this isn't shameful as fuck, then you should really stop reading the manga.

    Edit: Just so you can't say that I didn't address all of your points.

    Sengoku is not a Fleet Admiral for his power at the time, even though he has lots of raw power, he was Fleet Admiral because of his wits, he was clearly old. But even then, Luffy has "successfullydefended " against Sengoku the same way that Ricky Hatton "successfully defended" against Manny Pacquiao or the same way that Doflamingo " successfully defended " against that Red Hawk/Hawk Rifle/Eagle Bazooka(I don't remember which one it was) from Luffy. Luffy coughed up blood, and when that happens it generally means that you have been damaged. Or else do you argue that being attacked in the guts and coughing up blood means everything's fine ?
     
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  11. Santoryu PERSONA

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  12. Jake CENA BAH GAWD KING, IT'S JAKE CENA!!

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    she's a fat woman. that's all you need to know.
     
  13. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    Big Mam's character also has no wounds which is literally one of the points emphasized throughout the Arc.

    I respect your views. However that is speculative. There is good reason to suggest that Fujitora isn't going all out however none to suggest that he isn't trying at all.

    I'm not sure what panel you're referring to specifically however Fujitora not dropping the rubble is because of the citizens. And even if you're arguing that Fujitora changes his mind about capturing Luffy that's after the clashing. :p

    No where in my argument have I made any points suggesting that Fujitora has any wounds from their confrontation unless we're including dirt marks as bruises. However the same argument can be made about the confrontation that it's being compared to. So I'm not sure what your point is.

    Again that lacks relevancy. Nothing about my argument suggests that pushing a character back automatically makes them superior in power tier.

    Your point on stamina lacks relevancy because it's not just about hunger. It's about hunger for a specific cake that has specifically been a craving. Applying that in all match ups doesn't make a lot of sense without having a good reason to think that the same specific circumstances would be in play for those match ups. Also the subordinates are tricking her character in that Arc out of selfishness. That isn't always in play in match ups. Assuming that her character doesn't win those match ups prior to being nerfed and not only is that assumptive even in that form her character has multiple top Yonkou Commander tier characters running. Top Yonkou Commander tier characters which is a tier of characters who have consistently shown no fear of Admirals and many who have even confrontations with the Admirals.

    Your point on Chopper and Brook is not only subjective it's also doubtful as they're main members of a crew that will be a Pirate King tier crew.

    Your point on Sengoku is also subjective. I've addressed the points about Luffy being wounded from that technique.
     
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  14. Mr. Black Leg The Ordeal of Love

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    I never talked shit about her dura tho. Just her stamina and firepower.

    Other than HELP LUFFY TO ESCAPE ?

    MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, I AM REFERING TO THE PANELS IN THAT THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE WHO GOT FUCKED BY DOFLAMINGO'S DOWNFALL AND TRIED TO KILL LUFFY AND HE DROPPED THE RUBLLE ON THEM ? MAYBE ?

    I won't post the pannels because this motherfucking forum blocks anything from the "manga streamers" but here, from the wikia:

    I'm almost positive that is in the same chapter as the Fuji x Luffy "fight". Go look it up, I think it's chapter 798.

    No, it isn't. The guy waited 2 days to go capture Luffy at all. He made up a rule so he didn't have to go and downright kill Luffy in a weakened state.

    The point is that is nothing at all being shameful from the Fujitora x Luffy clash. VERY DIFFERENTLY FROM THE BM X Weak Trio + Jinbe clash, which there's plenty to be shameful for.

    Oh and I really never said anything about BM's dura. She is an iron balloon alright, possibly with durability on the top 5 or top 4 in the OPverse, but with either a sucky stamina or a sucky firepower. And both stats should be very much top tier, since, you know, she is a Yonko.

    You SPECIFICALLY SAID it was something that could've been made fun of in the same light, or even more, as WEAK TRIO MANHANDLING BM. When it's not a bad showing at all, it's not a bad showing, it's not a good showing, it's barely even something to take note.

    That doesn't make any sense. If she has a craving for anything, and do not eat, then she goes to starvation in 12 hours, but if she doesn't have a craving for anything then she doesn't go to starvation in 12 hours. What kind of selective fuck up is that ?

    In a fight against another Yonko or an Admiral, that is basically a standstill, things like mental and stamina are important because it will give you an edge on the longer run.

    Whitebeard was conscious and could think of saving the rest of his crew after he had a part of his brain blown out.

    She can't even think straight if she wants to eat something.

    Who do you think will win a battle of wits here ?

    So you're saying that Chopper and Brook >>>>>>> Teach in durability. Ok, nice.

    He was. Period. Chopper wasn't even harmed by a Yonko attack.

    Yonko attack.

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    Let that sink in. Chopper, one of the weakest members of the SH's. The strongest, Luffy, shouldn't even be able to a fight a Yonko right now.

    And fucking CHOPPER walked alway unharmed after a Yonko attacked.
     
  15. mido boss

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    i have no words to express how much of a disappointment big mom was for me
     
  16. Mr. Black Leg The Ordeal of Love

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    This. Exactly this.

    And it was L after L I tried to justify but I ended up giving up on trying to justify. What killed any hopes of her being awesome for me was Chopper, Nami and Brook + Jinbe vs BM. God oh god, I was like " She may be retarded, but hey if she ever gets close to anyone in this whole arc she will murderstomp them like they are fodder" then that happened. Oh and Brook blitzed her.

    For fuck's sake who is Brook in the grand scheme of things ? There are literally dozens of pirates who would murderstomp Brook to hell and back. And I love Brook, my favorite current SH. Because Sanji is useless and Luffy's retardness has caught up with him and his sheer dumb luck.
     

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