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How many PI Kabuto are needed to beat WA Tsunade?

~Kakashi~

Well-Known Member
Feat wise, P1 Kabuto sucks. So you base solely off feats, I think that number is bordering on absurdly high. He struggled as is with a Tsunade that hadn't fought in forever and wasn't even using her full power, whose "will of fire" was practically nonexistent, etc. You then factor in things like Naruto just grabbing his hand immobilized him and you realize in terms of strength he can't even hang in the same universe as her. And if Tsunade were annoyed enough to bring out Katsuyu? He can't even tickle Katsuyu, much less hurt her.

Hype wise he's supposed to be part 1 Kakashi's equal. So you go off of that, maybe the number becomes something reasonable like 5? Maybe? Possibly more?

Kabuto has such garbage showings in part 1 it's hard to argue he does anything to anyone of note. I made a post a while back detailing how despite his hype of being on part 1 Kakashi's level, Kakashi would just absolutely dumpster him if you went to actually comparing feats.

Kishi did an extremely poor job of matching Kabuto's showings to his hype.
 

Architect

A Minato stan from Minatostan
Tsunade is a trash, but jonin levels who can't dismember her or crush her skull are worse than trash.
Probably many.
 

JiraiyaFlash

Satô no Kyoki
for base WA Tsunade who can only have access to Sozo Saizei as healing jutsu and rest of her kit except Katsuyu -> at least 10 for having a shot

For Byakugo WA Tsunade w/o Katsuyu -> couple of entires squads of Kabuto, i guess ( like 30+)

For WA Tsunade with everything she got -> We need a small division of Kabuto.

For WA Tsunade who has access to %10 Katsuyu -> We need a village full of Kabuto.

Kabuto has such garbage showings in part 1 it's hard to argue he does anything to anyone of note. I made a post a while back detailing how despite his hype of being on part 1 Kakashi's level, Kakashi would just absolutely dumpster him if you went to actually comparing feats.

Kishi did an extremely poor job of matching Kabuto's showings to his hype.
Maybe its off-topic but I disagree my friend.

First of all. Kabuto outsmart Kakashi on-page and schooled him easily.

When Kakashi was afraid of facing a Sannin. Kabuto was so eager to try his shot against a Sannin.

Kabuto's medical-nin abilities were almost on par with Tsunade back in the day due to Tsunade herself who is no#1 in the field for over 30+ years. Kakashi never hailed as one of the best at some specific stuff. He was very good at everything little by little but never excelled like Tsunade's medical prowess or Hiruzen's ninjutsu or Gai's Taijutsu or Itachi's Dojutsu and so on...

Also, the same Kabuto, took under the entire stadium full of people under genjutsu by himself in Chunnin Exams.

With a plasma pill he was confident enough to take on Rusty Tsunade (he handed over tho). Yes, he defeated but he at least eager to. And he even understood what Tsunade's rashinsho did to him. And what neurons controlling which part of his body now and he adjusted himself to it.

And ofc Kabuto aint have the same amount of quality feats as Kakashi cuz Kakashi is a main character there is a huge difference in screen time.


Yes, I also think Kakashi was clearly superior to Kabuto back then but P1 Kakashi couldn't dumpster him. It would be a hard one. I mean even War Arc Kakashi had hard times against the members of 7SoM Edo Versions (weaker versions). How is P1 Kakashi gonna fodderized Kabuto?
 
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Beyonce

Medical Ninja
Think an army of small styrofoam packing peanuts (kabuto) and a leaf blower (Tsunade). Two leaf blowers if you add Katsuyu
 

Shazam

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:hmm

Easily dozens or more needed to beat Tsunade

Around a small handful of Zabuza (same level as Kabuto if not weaker) needed to beat WA Kakashi

:ahmm
 

trocollo

Well-Known Member
Just one, he takes advantage of her fear of blood, he is Intel specialist after all.
That was something she developed in response to the death of Dan and Nawaki, but during her battle in the sannin deadlock she got past it to save Naruto's life, after that she was able to operate Lee and fight without going ever again into PTSD-mode, so if Kabuto decides to use again this tactic he'll only damage his own body without gaining the expected result
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
20+
Frankly WA Tsunade spanks even the 20

as much as I hate how the character was written once again unless you remove her head or can by pass regen she will win by default

numbers regardless
 

Crimson Flam3s

Rampage Sage
First of all. Kabuto outsmart Kakashi on-page and schooled him easily.

When Kakashi was afraid of facing a Sannin. Kabuto was so eager to try his shot against a Sannin.

-Are you referring to when Kabuto ran away at the hospital after Kakashi showed superior physical ability by stopping his attack on Sasuke?

Kakashi went up against a Sannin killer without hesitations so what does that say? He lasted longer than Orochimaru did vs Itachi.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
-Are you referring to when Kabuto ran away at the hospital after Kakashi showed superior physical ability by stopping his attack on Sasuke?

Kakashi went up against a Sannin killer without hesitations so what does that say? He lasted longer than Orochimaru did vs Itachi.

1. Superior physical ability? Kabuto got away, Kakashi couldn't even chase him lol.

2. Actually, he flinched and called himself a fool immediately after charging Raikiri at a Sannin. Also, it took a Totsuka Sword to finish Oro off, Kakashi got negged by killer intent and Tsukuyomi alone, and Itachi didn't even want to kill Kakashi at all. FKS Kakashi is the one that faced a Sannin killer, and that's the guy that made even Pain wary of him and his potential.

No need to downplay Kabuto and Oro, m8. Kakash
 
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Crimson Flam3s

Rampage Sage
1. Superior physical ability? Kabuto got away, Kakashi couldn't even chase him lol.

2. Actually, he flinched and called himself a fool immediately after charging Raikiri at a Sannin. Also, it took a Totsuka Sword to finish Oro off, Kakashi got negged by killer intent and Tsukuyomi alone, and Itachi didn't even want to kill Kakashi at all. FKS Kakashi is the one that faced a Sannin killer, and that's the guy that made even Pain wary of him and his potential.

No need to downplay Kabuto and Oro, m8. Kakash

No you have completely misunderstood the whole post, specially the second part, I am not downplaying anybody specially Oro.

1- I am referring to him stopping Kabuto's puppet from decapitating Sasuke at point blank while at a distance disadvantage. Since when does desperately escaping by jumping from a window imply superior physical ability? Did running away from Kakashi again at the stadium imply superior physical ability?

2- He said "Kakashi was afraid of facing a Sannin. Kabuto was so eager to try his shot against a Sannin." as if it means anything about Kabuto's power but it doesn't. Kakashi thought Orochimaru was too much for him but still didn't back down vs Itachi who rekked Oro previously, so by @JiraiyaFlash logic, he is far beyond Kabuto.

Thinking you can go up against someone and actually being able to, are two different things. Both Kabuto and Kakashi were wrong about their assessments. Arguing that their mindset "I can go/I can't go up against someone" determines their power level is illogical unless the feats are there.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
1- I am referring to him stopping Kabuto's puppet from decapitating Sasuke at point blank while at a distance disadvantage

Kabuto's puppet =/ Kabuto himself.

Since when does desperately escaping

Desperate? Kabuto's literally the one laughing and smiling, Kakashi is the one that's tense and sulky about Kabuto lol.

by jumping from a window imply superior physical ability? Did running away from Kakashi again at the stadium imply superior physical ability?

Odd way to phrase the fact Kabuto managed to give Kakashi the slip, in spite of Kakashi's considerable speed and tracking skills :hm

2- He said "Kakashi was afraid of facing a Sannin. Kabuto was so eager to try his shot against a Sannin." as if it means anything about Kabuto's power but it doesn't. Kakashi thought Orochimaru was too much for him but still didn't back down vs Itachi who rekked Oro previously

Kakashi had no idea Itachi defeated Orochimaru lol.

Thinking you can go up against someone and actually being able to, are two different things. Both Kabuto and Kakashi were wrong about their assessments. Arguing that their mindset "I can go/I can't go up against someone" determines their power level is illogical unless the feats are there.

This is true.
 

Crimson Flam3s

Rampage Sage
His pupil ? :D


Sick Orochimaru w/o ninjutsu and legs in a mouth as a sitting duck?

Or An Oro that tries to test Itachi's eyes?

:D

SAme Kakashi lasted less than Orochimaru against %30 Fake Itachi when he had 3 Jonin Level Supp.


Nice try dude.

I can see you are mad that Oro got one panneled by Genjutsu alone, but hey using your logic on Kabuto wanting to take on a Sannin while Kakashi being afraid of Oro, Kakashi not being as afraid of Itachi and lasting longer in the fight should put him tiers ahead or Kabuto right?

Again if you disagree when your logic is used against your argument then maybe it wasn't a logical statement after all.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
I'm a Kakashi fan and don't particularly care for Kabuto (don't dislike him either), but Kabuto is actually pretty dope, and him being able to literally escape Kakashi is quite a feat given, y'know, he's only escaping a fast tracker and highly skilled ninja and all...
 

Crimson Flam3s

Rampage Sage
Kabuto's puppet =/ Kabuto himself.



Desperate? Kabuto's literally the one laughing and smiling, Kakashi is the one that's tense and sulky about Kabuto lol.



Odd way to phrase the fact Kabuto managed to give Kakashi the slip, in spite of Kakashi's considerable speed and tracking skills :hm

Yeah, Kabuto's puppet probably has better feats considering Kabuto couldn't stop kid Naruto from landing rasengan on him while Kakashi casually manhandled Sasuke and Naruto's attacks.

Not sure how escaping from Kakashi, and literally stating during their second encounter that he didn't want to fight him due to the sharingan is supposed to be impressive.

Kabutois not too far from Kakashi's general tier but not because of his combat abilities but his sneakiness and medical jutsu brilliance however Kakashi is a horrible matchup for him due to Sharingan as Kabuto stated.

Kakashi had no idea Itachi defeated Orochimaru lol.



This is true.

It's irrelevant whether he knew or not, it just shows that their own assessment of their own power vs someone else is arbitrary and can be erroneous and that's why I called out his example.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
Yeah, Kabuto's puppet probably has better feats

Is that why Kabuto's puppet got intercepted, but the actual Kabuto got away from Kakashi, leaving him upset? :russ

considering Kabuto couldn't stop kid Naruto from landing rasengan on him

Yes, because Kabuto overconfidently tried to engage Kid Naruto in CQC, and Kabuto by his own admission isn't great at Taijutsu.

Speed =/ CQC though, thankfully, Kabuto needn't engage Kakashi in CQC to barely win, tie, or barely lose.

while Kakashi casually manhandled Sasuke and Naruto's attacks

Yet he couldn't chase Kabuto down :pepesip

Either time, in fact :pepesip

Funny how you skated over that detail :hm

Not sure how escaping from Kakashi

Twice. He did it twice, and NOTHING stopped Kakashi from chasing Kabuto's ass...apart from Kabuto being fast enough to do so.

and literally stating during their second encounter that he didn't want to fight him due to the sharingan is supposed to be impressive

Gee, maybe it's because Kabuto is surrounded not only by Kakashi but also Guy and Genma and possibly others :hm

Almost as if picking a fight with his CANON EQUAL could get him killed at worst, barely victorious at best, and in trouble either way :mjlol

Kabutois not too far from Kakashi's general tier

They're equal. Period. The manga has Kakashi himself highly praise Kabuto and both J-Man and Oro state Kabuto is Kakashi's equal.

but not because of his combat abilities but his sneakiness and medical jutsu brilliance

Kabuto's sneakiness and medical jutsu brilliance are part of his combat abilities. Not sure what you're even suggesting here.

Kabuto is equated to Kakashi by Jiraiya and Oro in terms of strength, ergo, combat ability.

however Kakashi is a horrible matchup for him due to Sharingan as Kabuto stated

Scan? :hm

This doesn't change the fact Kabuto = Kakashi though.

It's irrelevant whether he knew or not, it just shows that their own assessment of their own power vs someone else is arbitrary and can be erroneous and that's why I called out his example.

True, but surely you could find a better one.
 
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