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How much stronger did Kakashi get during PII?

How much stronger did Kakashi get during PII (outside DMS)?

  • Less than 10% stronger

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • 25% stronger

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • 50% stronger

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • 75% stronger

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Twice as stronger

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Two and a half times stronger

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Three times stronger

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Three to five times stronger

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Five to ten times stronger

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • More than ten times stronger

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • Total voters
    20

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
A lot. He went from Elite Jonin to High Kage minimum (I say Elite Kage).

That's a four tier jump, a near 10x increase.
 

Naruto Maelstrom Uchiha

Well-Known Member
It’s not a % increase. It’s not like he got a higher power level that we can measure with. Scouter.

however, his various new raikiri variants and Kamui grant him significantly more variety.

I’d say he is the same general tier of power. We saw how he did vs Post Danzo fight Sasuke.

his kamui bumps him up half a tier, but he’s not a full tier higher. I’d put him below 6-7 Gates Guy.
 

Bonly

Well-Known Member
Kakashi was Jounin lvl in part one who was gonna lose to Kisame to being strong enough to pressure V2 Jins to using Bijuu Mode in base and being strong enough to even beat the likes of Hashi and Madara in part two with Kamui which they have no defense against. So ten times stronger or more easily
 

New Folder

Well-Known Member
not much.

He struggled with Zabuza at the start of the manga
and he still struggled with him at the end of the manga. :oldshrug


the only notable difference is his Asspull PS at the very end. :catshrug
 

Naruto Maelstrom Uchiha

Well-Known Member
not much.

He struggled with Zabuza at the start of the manga
and he still struggled with him at the end of the manga. :oldshrug


the only notable difference is his Asspull PS at the very end. :catshrug
Exactly, clearly his base stats— power, speeds endurance etc are similar.

only major difference is new raikiri moves, Raiton clone, and kamui.
 

Naruto Maelstrom Uchiha

Well-Known Member
Kakashi was Jounin lvl in part one who was gonna lose to Kisame to being strong enough to pressure V2 Jins to using Bijuu Mode in base and being strong enough to even beat the likes of Hashi and Madara in part two with Kamui which they have no defense against. So ten times stronger or more easily
You do know, that kamui is extremely fatiguing, and that all it takes to defeat is a clone? Or to obscure the opponents vision?
People really obsessed with their kamui snipes witch kakashi has never done.

saying kakashi can beat Hashirama or Madara is a hilariously deceptive statement. Sure, with a. Surprise attack he can. But, he ain’t doing shit to mokujin or PS.
 

Bonly

Well-Known Member
You do know, that kamui is extremely fatiguing,

Kakashi was using multiple Kamui uses back to back during the war after fighting all day and using other jutsu so it's not extremely fatiguing to Kakashi anymore if you read the manga into the war arc :troll


and that all it takes to defeat is a clone?

That wouldn't defeat the jutsu as the clone would get sent to boxland so that doesn't defeat the jutsu as the jutsu will still accomplish it's use. Nice try though :cantrustleme


Or to obscure the opponents vision?

That also doesn't defeat the jutsu as the jutsu can still go off and the jutsu has this cool feature where the barrier it creates can be expanded so it can still do it's job. Nice try though :cantrustleme

People really obsessed with their kamui snipes witch kakashi has never done.

You can cry all you want but that doesn't prevent Kamui from beating your favorite.:excitepepe


saying kakashi can beat Hashirama or Madara is a hilariously deceptive statement. Sure, with a. Surprise attack he can. But, he ain’t doing shit to mokujin or PS.

Why does Kakashi need to do anything to PS or Mokujin when he can just teleport around them thus completely avoiding them then popping up to send them to boxland? But here we go again with the "MuH FoUnDeRs!" can't ever lose despite them not having any counters :dumbpepe
 

HollowArrow123

Well-Known Member
Asuma, Guy, and Kakashi were supposed to be low kage level ninjas via missions doing S-rank missions and they all are in part 2 it's just the fact that in part 1 they were weaken down because of the focus of the students.
 

~Kakashi~

Well-Known Member
God tier - DMS Kakashi(Alongside the likes of 8G Gai)

Middle of mid kage - WA Kakashi(Alongside the likes of Kisame)

Middle of low kage - PA-FKS Kakashi(Alongside the likes of BoS Sasuke)

Bottom of low kage - BoS-IA Kakashi(Alongside the likes of IA Naruto)

Elite Jonin - Post rust P1 Kakashi(Alongside the likes of Base Gai)

High jonin - LoW Kakashi(Alongside the likes of Zabuza)
 

Crimson Flam3s

Rampage Sage
He went from being able to use 4 Raikiri to being able to use 8X Raikiri & variants plus clones and 5 Kamuis, so Chakra wise he is about 4x stronger than his P1 self

He got new feats such as feinting Itachi(again) and Deva twice, fighting 4 V2 Jinchuriki single-handedly and Kamuing a projectile and a human faster than Deva/Obito could notice.

That's just a few of his best new feats so overall I would say he is 3-4x stronger than his part 1 self due to his 4x higher Chakra, better feats, better jutsu and likely higher speed & strength(not as much since his main improvements were in other areas)

P1 is elite Jonin while WA Kakashi is top of mid kage/low high Kage depending on the situation.
 

Charmed

Forever Charmed
Well it depends, if he's youre fave or not, but I rank him as follows.

PT1 Kakashi Elite Jounin
BoS Kakashi is slightly stronger but I wouldnt rank him as Kage yet even tho he has access to Kamui, which is unreliable in battle at that point of the manga.

Immortals arc Kakashi is Entry Kage level as well as Pain Arc Kakashi. This means he cant really take on Jins nor Biju like the Alatsuki, in fact, he'd even steuggle to take down Boss Summons.

During the FKS I guess he hits Low Kage level.
By War Arc he's prolly a Mid Kage.

That's it.
 
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Draco Bolton

Well-Known Member
Nothing changed :pimpe

Waves Arc Kakashi=WA Kakashi=WA Kakashi=War Arc Kakashi :pimpe

Btw DMS Kakashi is inclued in War Arc Kakashi.

DMS Kakashi is the same than the one who jobbed against P1 Zabuza (weaker than P1 Haku as per P1 Zabuza statement. P1 Haku<<<<KN0 Kid Naruto>=CE Neji>Lee>Gai as per Gai statement...saying Lee is unstoppable once drunk) :pimpe

@Shazam it looks like I beat the crap out of those damned master lovers :mjpls: :pimpe
 

Turrin

玄武
Well Speed wise Kakashi overall doesn’t seem to improve much from P1 to Early WA, as Zabuza is still relative to him in speed. So I think the gains there are marginal until the end of the WA. Then we have to determine how fast P1 Kakashi is, which I think the best measuring stick would be IA Kakashi being relative to Hidan, which makes Kakashi around Hidan level in speed in P1; which makes sense too with him keeping up with Kisame to certain extent who is probably the Second or Third Slowest Akatsuki, especially in P1 (assuming you believe he improved).

Stamina he has consistent gains due to Sharingan taxing him less. And then he improves with Mangekyo throughout the story.

So Kakashi in P1 is like a Low-Akatsuki level that runs out of Stamina too quickly to fight at that level long. In BoS-Early WA, he is a solid Low Akatsuki ranging somewhere between Hidan level and Kisame/Deidara/Sasori/Kakuzu level depending on how one views the profess and effectiveness of Kamui throughout those arcs.
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When we hit the end of WA Kakashi Speed gets a massive amp, allowing him to keep up with the Jincuuriki, Obito, Gated Gai, and be somewhat relevant against the God Tiers. Given this Kakashi reaches a level of speed well beyond Low-Akatsuki, and is more around the speed of Akatsuki like Konan and Orochimaru; or characters like Mei, Base-Sannin, etc...

And his Kamui seems to scale proportionally with him and his skill increases.

So now I would place him at his Lowest around Mid-Akatsuki, Konan/Zetsu; to at his highest High-Akatsuki like Orochimaru / Sick Itachi; or to put it in Kage Standards he would be at least around Mei / Rasa, but could be higher around Tsunade, Onoki, Raikage, Gaara.
 

Speedyamell

If you don't like fax, you can't like me ;)
God tier - DMS Kakashi(Alongside the likes of 8G Gai)

Middle of mid kage - WA Kakashi(Alongside the likes of Kisame)

Middle of low kage - PA-FKS Kakashi(Alongside the likes of BoS Sasuke)

Bottom of low kage - BoS-IA Kakashi(Alongside the likes of IA Naruto)

Elite Jonin - Post rust P1 Kakashi(Alongside the likes of Base Gai)

High jonin - LoW Kakashi(Alongside the likes of Zabuza)
Basically this.
In story his use of the sharingan was progressing as the story did, with WA being his peak. With a mastered ms he went from elite jonin/low kage at the end of P1/Bos, to mid kage.
 

Shazam

⚡⚡⚡
Is Kamui restricted or something?

Doesn't have to be. Kamui is likely a joker card, it doesn't get played but once in a blue moon in the manga (especially in terms of offensively).

His base stats are also not astronomically superior than in Part 1 aside from his stamina usage.
 

Transcendent Shinobi

Well-Known Member
Honestly every character got stronger in P2 including villains so in that sense he really didn't get any stronger. Now if we are talking WA and beyond then yes everyone was ludicrously stronger but that 's just bad writing.
 

ZmkSc

Well-Known Member
Even without MS, just the massive stamina increase ( over 10 times more than rusty p1 kakashi and 4 times more than Non rusty version) , Raikeri varients and sharingan mastery improvement make WA 3T kakashi like almost 3x more powerful than P1 kakashi. Now throw in MS which gives him long range kamui shots and self wrapping/teleportation for both offensive and defensive applications and also short range kamui ( bar phasing) and he becomes massively stronger than his P1 self. Just a feat like ripping off GM's arm via kamui without prep then getting praised by Madara for his dojutsu should tell you the difference.
 
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Kisame

鮫仙
2 times stronger. Kisame is equal to around 2 PI Kakashis give or take, and WA Kakashi is on Kisame's level.

Increased knowledge, experience and gaining an MS technique is around equal to a full fledged elite Jonin-level edging on kage-level, that is more than fair for Kakashi imo.
 

Code

Well-Known Member
Yeah he grew drastically.
He was swapping hands with and even getting the better of V2 Jinchuriki and Obito.
 

Crimson Flam3s

Rampage Sage
2 times stronger. Kisame is equal to around 2 PI Kakashis give or take, and WA Kakashi is on Kisame's level.

Increased knowledge, experience and gaining an MS technique is around equal to a full fledged elite Jonin-level edging on kage-level, that is more than fair for Kakashi imo.

I think if you were to equal out the Chakra between P1 and WA Kakashi this would be more accurate but the fact that P1 can only pump out 4 Raikiris while WA can double that amount plus a handful of jutsu and 5 Kamui before gassing out is being overlooked.

His stamina has always been his greatest weakness so getting 4x the stamina even without any other improvements is a huge advantage.
 

LostSelf

Forest Sage
Moderator
Guy went from passing out after 10 seconds of using Sharingan to use MS without much efforts.
Went from being mocked by Orochimaru to being highlighted by Pain, who did not dare approaching Kakashi but went to tell Tsunade how meaningless she was.
Went from being "not there yet" for Hokage to then take the title from Tsunade.

So likely he improved, a LOT.
 
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