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How strong are all the Kenpachi's and the Royal Guard?

Discussion in 'Bleach' started by Night Light, Apr 16, 2019 at 1:56 PM.

  1. Night Light I am the light in the darkness

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    - Considering the novel Spirits are Forever Within You, Zaraki was the strongest shinigami, Aizen ducked him and Zaraki was able to beat Azashiro Kenpachi, who had enormous reiastu.

    - Does this mean that Unohana was stronger than Yama? Yama ducked Azashiro Kenpachi.

    - Azashiro avoided RG

    - How did Zaraki lose to Ywhach?

    - Bonus: How strong would Hogyoku Zaraki Kenpachi be?
     
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    Yamamoto is the most powerful. Kenpachi is their Hulk, Unohana was the best killer.

    Current Kenpachi is thenstrongest Shinigami and their Yamamoto substitute.

    Kenpachi with Hogyoku would likely be the strongest in consideration.

    Kenpachi lost to Royd/Yhwach because they have tehcniques that allow them to block and harm Kenpachi no problem. And likely because Hashwalth was there.
     
  3. Night Light I am the light in the darkness

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    Don't Kenpachi and Azashiro have much more reiatsu than Yama?
     
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    Not at the time. Keep in mind. Yamamoto himself says he is only Captain Commander because no other Shinigami born in the 1000 years he ruled was stronger than him.
     
  5. Night Light I am the light in the darkness

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    When you say not at that time, are you referring to the time when Azashiro fought Kenpachi or sometime before that?
     
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    Yes.
     
  7. Night Light I am the light in the darkness

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    Before the novel? During the Aizen fight?
     
  8. Daio Well-Known Member

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    I've always seen Unohana as stronger than Yamamoto in terms of raw stats; if they were only allowed to use Sealed Zanpakuto, Unohana would win everytime. However, Yamamoto's Zanpakuto makes him overall the strongest. That's an interpretation that should satfisfy Unohana being the "Strongest Shinigami" and Yamamoto being Captain Commander.

    "Kenpachi" is given to the Strongest Shinigami more times than not. Kuruyashiki was strong enough to be apart of the Royal Guard and Azashiro defeated him (albeit Kuruyashiki was handicapped and Azashiro used hax).

    Zaraki is currently the Strongest Shinigami and as a kid, surpassed Unohana. Although, clearly not every Kenpachi is the "Strongest Shinigami" as Zaraki was not always as strong as he is now and Kiganjō and the 9th are clearly frauds.

    However, the above was explained in the novels, although I forgot the exact reason. It was something to do with Unohana stepping down and there needing to be a replacement. Yachiru, Kuruyashiki, Azashiro and Zaraki are all legit and live up to the title.

    Royal Guard are on a next level in comparison to the Gotei 13. At least 2 are over 100 million years old and can seal Reiō level threats, that Yamamoto and his Gotei failed to stop. Their bones are made from Oken and they have training methods that can make Shinigami go from fodder to ridiculously strong, etc.
     
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    Did Kenpachi have the same amount of reiatsu as when he fought Azashiro, during his fight with Unohana?
     
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    Yes or likely higher. Kenpachi was tanking hundreds of Kurohitsugu and Ittou Kazou to the face.
     
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    Evem after the novel is likely he still was weaker.

    Unohana's statement makes sense on a fighter capabilities' stand point. Not on brute force.
     
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    so Unohana's reiatsu should be much stronger than Yama's
     
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    No. Unohana said that Ichigo had even more than her during FKT. And that Ichigo was still weaker than Yamamoto. In the current novel he is even hipped as a Reiatsu monster alonside with Kenpachi being a powerhouse and Aizen having enough Reiatsu to not be overwhelmed by several Captains.
     
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    That is false.

    She never said he has more than her, she only said he’s got reiatsu on par with a Captain while he was still weakened, and 2x as a Captain at full power.

    Captain tier is a broad tier, as we have weaker ones, like Mayuri in terms of stats, and then powerhouses like Unohana and Yamamoto.

    Considering just how ridiculously strong she turned out to actually be two arcs later it would be ridiculous to assume that FKT Ichigo was anywhere near her in terms of power, much less stronger.
     
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    Unohana did compare herself to him, saying his reiatsu wasn't much different from hers and that he just lacked refinement. This was before she knew he was only running on 50%
     
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    It has to be a different translation from the one I saw then.

    If only I could get a hold of the RAW's it would be great. But even so, the scaling doesn't add up.
     
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    I dunno a RAW site. Just the chapters: 382


    Viz and Cnet hold up.
     
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    Searched the subbed anime episode in the meantime since the dialogue is the same. It's the same as in the pics you posted above.

    This feels like a stupid retcon to me, because otherwise 50% FKT Bankai Ichigo would be around Unohana's level who killed Post-Fullbringer Arc Kenpachi over and over hundreds through thousands of times. And Kenpachi only got progressively stronger each time he got killed and revived.
     
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    Yeah it doesn't make sense that Unohana was able to defeat Kenpachi hundreds of times, considering his reiatsu should have been close to transcendental level, at that point.
     
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    Meh. Whatever sense it makes, it doesn't change that Unohana was vastly more powerful than either Ichigo or Kenpachi, through feats. Hisagi also says Unohana was more than twice as strong as any shinigami. Best not to think about it too deeply, tbh

    :dank
     
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    :lmao am I wrong?
     
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    Guess there were indeed things Kubo didn't really think through :lmao

    Or maybe you could argue that Unohana tried to keep her "Yachiru Kenpachi" persona a secret so she suppressed her reiatsu constantly.

    :mjlol
     
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    I would simply consider "Spirits are Forever Within You" semi canon.

    I know some characters are referenced in CFYOW, but has Kubo made a statement regarding it?
     
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    She literally says his Reiatsu was comparable to hers!! The fuck series have you been reading?

    And considering this Ichigo while unfocused could have cut Aizen's head, comparing her to her tells me nothing. Also powerhouse my ass, she never overpowered Kenpachi through brute strenght, just complete skill.
     
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    Which is completely nonsensical unless you believe 50% FKT Bankai Ichigo could kill Post-Fullbring Kenpachi thousands of times over and over.

    Her power was retconned.
     
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    You dont see the difference between focusing your power and being a complete monster dont you? Keep in mind Kenpachi is the best example.

    Using Kendou bisected Nnoitra. While prior he couldnt get pass his arms.
     
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    Remember that Ichigo's reiatsu was greater than Ulquiorra's since they first met and that Kurosaki could sense Chrysalis Aizen reiatsu in FKT.

    Old Zangetsu is just interfering and not allowing him to use his powers properly.
     
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    I don't see the problem with that. They haven't interacted, so certainly nothing contradicts that, right?
     
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    There was this interview or something that confirmed all Novels as canon.
     
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