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How would you make Byakugan stronger?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Imopink1, Aug 2, 2018.

  1. Imopink1 Paint me on your cave wall.

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    Byakugan is always seen as fodder compared to Rinnergan and Sharingan. How would you boost it to make it stronger but still the weakest out of the three doujutsu. ?
     
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    It needs genjutsu and a mangekyo equivalent.

    The base sharingan and base byakugan are roughly equal. Same for the rinnegan and tenseigan are basically equal. Hopefully the jougan works as the mangekyo byakugan
     
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  3. Lord Valgaav Atomic Sables!

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    Since it can already see through things, have a side effect being whoever is scanned by it get cancer they'll die from in three days.
     
  4. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Giving it plot relevance. :catsalute

    If Sasuke was a Hyuuga we would see the Byakugan blind entire countries and shoot village busting laserz!!! :pimp
     
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  5. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    One idea is to introduce the idea that most Byakugan's are locked or not awakened. The only way to wake it up is unseal a specific tenketsu, thus allowing the user to use the true power of the Byakugan.

    It was said by Kakashi that the Hyuga had two bloodlines. Another idea is to make the 2nd bloodline of the Hyuga a companion bloodline, basically this bloodline would give the Byakugan new abilities.
     
  6. Abcdjdj1234 Well-Known Member

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    The byakygan is not fodder. The people who use it are shit and fodder.


    Kaguya one shotted a perfect susanoo with vacuum palm if I'm not wrong.
     
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  7. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the Hyuga could be born with a dual affinity of the Yin element and the Yang element, which is not seen out of the clan, that give the user the ability to use Yin-style Byakugan or a Yang-style Byakugan. The Yin Style Byakugan can give psychic abilities and improve chakra control. The Yang Style Byakugan could absorb energy, give life to weapons and equipment.

    Or the regular Byakugan could have a mode that improves processing speed dramatically, gaining slow-motion perception.
     
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  8. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    One can become a God tier peeping tom with it for sure. :catsweat

    It was not stated what Kaguya used to one shoot PS. Seemingly it was her own jutsu and one that did not rely on the Byakugan at all. At most she used her Byakugan to see Sasuke's tenketsu so she can hit them with her hair shooting jutsu.
     
  9. Abcdjdj1234 Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't it vaccum palm 80 trigrams or something? Idk I remember it on wiki a long time ago as the strongest offensive technique or something
     
  10. Sixth Ranger Happy Holidays

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    The “Mangekyo” version of the Byakugan could allow the the user to use Yin style in one eye and Yang style in the other.
     
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    You got it wrong, the hyuga clan is fodder, not the byakugan which the strongest characters in the naruverse have it (Kaguya, Momoshiki). It's just that the hyuga fanboys are thirsty for relevance so they bitch about it all the time.
     
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    if it had genjutsu wouldn't it make it awfully similar to the sharingan?
     
  13. cringe lord Banned

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    Byakugan was seen as something with the ultimate defense.
    Whilst Sharingan was seen as the ultimate offense.

    Give the green susanoo to the Byakugan and increase it's defense tremendously
    whilst lowering the sharingan's susanoo defense so their balanced out.
     
  14. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    The problem with byakugan is that its mostly(only) a support dojutsu. It has no offensive or defensive jutsus of its own. It helps see tenketsu points so they can be sealed but aside from that all Hyuuga jutsus do not seem to require the Byakugan to use them.

    No jutsus like Amaterasu, Kamui, Shinra Tensei or Preta which are fully dojutsu dependant.
     
  15. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    I think the spinning Hyuuga jutsu was the ultimate defense(but Gaara and later Susanoo stole that claim).

    As for offense I recall Amaterasu was once praised at the strongest offensive ninjutsu...but that was before power levels kept increasing.

    The sharingan itself(not MS) got no offensive abilities aside from genjutsu. Precog is no offensive.
     
  16. kayz Well-Known Member

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    Let's say the rinnegan is mostly ninjutsu based and has all manner of spectacular ninjutsu and the sharingan is mostly genjutsu related and has a lot of spectacular genjutsus.

    The byakugan should have something spectacular in taijutsu like the ability to block someone's tenketsu just by looking from a distance. Ability to slow down your opponent's movement by sight to allow being one step ahead always. The ability to inflict internal organ damage on an opponent by sight alone. Paralysis.
     
  17. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    That would be cool but its seems that the Byakugan at best can only assist in not being caught off guard thanks to multi-direction seeing and by being able to see tenketsu points. :hm

    It is more taijutsu assistant than the Rinnegan and arguably the Sharingan too(if we believe that precog is less of a help in taijutsu than what Byakugan offers). Plus all of its users are masters of the taijutsu style that Hyuuga and Otsutsuki use. So I guess it can be called a taijutsu focused dojutsu.

    Most powerful ninjas mostly focus on ninjutsu though. Only Guy was truly amazing despite focusing on taijutsu only. And while Sasuke and Naruto as adults had shown impressive taijutsu their ninjutsu such a chakra avatars makes even their taijutsu pale when compared to that. Momo simply restricted them thanks to his ninjutsu absorbing ability. A nerf of sorts.
     
  18. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    Since her 80 Gods jutsu is a taijutsu and is described as similar to the Hyuuga clan's Vacuum Palm, then the association with the Byakugan is there.

    We've seen Hinata use vacuum palm without having her byakugan on and she used Lion Fists without the Byakugan on in The Last. So, jutsu that require the Byakugan to learn can eventually be used without it after the user knows their own jutsu well enough.

    That's just how ninjutsu work. Like Naruto becoming good enough that he can form and throw a FRS on his own when it took him Sage Mode and multiple clones to do it originally.

    The Byakugan is portrayed as giving some innate ability with taijutsu the same way Sharingan may give ability with genjutsu. So, they're equal in that they both boost a person's capabilities with a certain area of combat, but don't actually make the person fully capable with no effort (like the MS does) Even seeing Nagato with the Rinnegan made it look like he had to develop his ninjutsu on his own and wasn't just immediately able to use all the Paths as soon as he got the eye. He had to learn the Rinnegan's ninjutsu just like Sasuke had to learn the Sharingan's genjutsu and Neji had to learn the Byakugan's taijutsu.

    It always seemed really obvious that, if you can activate all of your tenketsu with the Byakugan/juken, why wouldn't they just start usin the tenketsu in their eyes to shoot chakra out and hit whatever tenketsu they're locked on to.

    Lack of development.
     
  19. Wrecked Baloney Ho ho ho!

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    Make Himawari a main character.
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  20. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    And that is precisely the problem. Was it ever stated that jutsus like Vacuum Palm or Kaiten cannot be learned if one does not have the Byakugan? The fact that characters with no Byakugan activated it make it dubious that it is a requirement.

    On the other hand can an Uchiha cast genjutsu with his sharingan/MS turned off? Or Shinra Tensei after removing said eye from ones eye socket? Or Amaterasu with MS turned off?

    Only Susanoo might be an exception...perhaps. :hm
     
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  21. 1Person Well-Known Member

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    Definitely, but it would make it stronger which is what the OP was asking about.

    Personally i really like that gentle fist/enhanced taijutsu is sorta the parallel to genjutsu sharingan and wish that we'd get that explained more but so far genjutsu is the only thing that puts the base sharingan above the byakugan
     
  22. King1 Go Wild

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    That will do
     
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    Itachi can cast rape-level genjutsu with his finger.

    Obito phased through rocks before actually awakening his MS.

    Combined with Madara using Susano'o, this confirms that the Uchiha's unique powers come from their own body and not solely from their eyes.

    The Itachi example, specifically, shows that Uchiha still have access to powerful genjutsu without using the Sharingan. So, that's the same as a Hyuuga activating vacuum palm through muscle memory if they've extensively trained with the jutsu.
     
  24. Reviewing Logic (((( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ͜ʖ ͡°) ͡°))))

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    give the user using it more chakra

    that is honestly it

    the eye can literally be tweaked to the user using it

    it has no limitations either beyond that blind spot that you can cover with chakra from the back (lol but then again compare that to the rest of the dojutsus that don't even have 360 vision)

    Hinata had trained her eyes to be 20km in range in shippuden

    also this
     
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    Does the Byakugan even really need to be powerful? It's an invaluable ability and I like how it's used more as an accessory. The Sharingan tends to 'give' its users jutsu whereas I like how the Byakugan just complements different fighting styles.
     
  26. BlinkST All is well in the kingdom

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    Make it gold?:catshrug
     
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    Mangekyou Byakugan


    :lbj
     
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  28. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    I'm quite sure it was a completely different type of genjutsu though. And less powerful. Granted of course genjutsu by itself is not something only sharingan users can cast. But the one that uses said eyes as a medium to use genjutsu...definitely.

    IMO Obito awakened MS for a second when he was falling. Just like how Kakashi awakened MS for a second after Rin died and couldn't activate it again for like 15 years.

    Susanoo IMO is kinda unique as it indeed seems to come out of the body rather than the eyes (like Amaterasu or Kamui). The eyes seem only necessary to unlock it as it seems to channel the Uchiha potent chakra to its maximum effect like a Jinchuuriki of Kurama for example with BM and its variants.

    Hyuugas still cannot see tenketsus without Byakugan even if they trained to do so I think. But likewise it is possible most other Hyuuga jutsus do not require the Byakugan as the requirement to use them at all sans those who require seeing those tenketsus.
     
  29. Zensuki Sasuke > your fav

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    Sometimes you just gotta accept that you're fodder and you know it :blessed
     
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    I actually like the byakugan just the way it is, it doesn't need to be hax.
     
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