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Hunter x Hunter Chapter 387 Spoilers/Discussion

Discussion in 'Hunter x Hunter' started by Ukoku, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. Dr. White I'm a shapeshifter, at Poe's masquerade.

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    Tser is fun lol. You could feel his emotion has he saw Theta turn her gun against him, then he goes into his own world deciphering his technique, and when Melody's nen interacted with him his realization of how dynamic things can get was amazing. Experience will be his downfall but this dude will have be like a firework, really fucking bright before dying off. Can't wait to see what happens in the chaos.
     
  2. rborges01 Well-Known Member

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    Chrollo has to complete four conditions to steal someone’s ability and if he kills the person he loses the ability. The only ability that has stayed after death was Sun and Moon. Chrollo lost his fortune telling abilities after Neon died in this very arc.
     
  3. King1 Yare Yare

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    Did she die? Thought she was alive after the yorknew arc?
     
  4. snakeeater Well-Known Member

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    But he created the second Nen beast, so it's still his ability. LOL
     
  5. rborges01 Well-Known Member

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    When Chrollo checked his book he saw that the ability wasn’t there so we should assume she’s dead for now.
     
  6. 12771a The Warrior of Cosmos

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    Chrollo said her ability disappeared meaning she died. In addition, Shizuku makes a death note joke saying people written in his book die, referencing kortopi, shalnark and Neon's assumed death.
    OT: Damn, Tser is really awesome. This time-future ability is interesting and I'm excited to see how far he'll take it. It looks like he'll have fun trolling people with it.
     
  7. PwnGoatVSPandaman Narutoforums is cancer.

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    Nothing suggests this, what people see is an illusion, nothing says he couldn't hit them, he just didn't with theta.

    While someone uses ko, he'll use ko on their vulnerable nothings.
     
  8. Yasha Procreate

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    That could be one of the restrictions. But still, he hold a dagger next to people's neck and when 10sec is up, stab them to death.
     
  9. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Im not saying its not his ability. Just that he did not subconsciously make this ability, his nen beast did.

    Which makes sense as you need a certain level of stress/impact on you to subconsciously make a nen ability. Which terrorsandwich has not had.
     
  10. Pyriz The Magician

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    I believe he was talking about the Nen beast created via Tserri's Hatsu, not the spirit guardian that he got from the ceremony. This was entirely Tserri's doing. Also, you don't need to be under duress to create an ability. Neon developed hers subconsciously because she liked a fortune teller on TV.


    Anyway, about the ability. So, he can see ten seconds into the future instantaneously, then proceed to change that future at his whim while everyone else is stuck watching the original future he saw play out. The part where he maintains it and loops it is where it really gets confusing though.

    As I understand it, after he experiences 10 seconds, time starts to pass by while he's still viewing the world in the future. At 11 seconds, he sees what's happening 11 seconds in the future but he can experience what he predicted would happen at 1 second, though he can't see it since his eyes are closed, but if he opens his eyes the vision stops and the world is 10 seconds behind what he saw.

    I'm not sure if he's going to be able to effect objects or beings aside from himself while he's got this ability active. If he can, I wonder if it'll be like the Noro Noro no Mi from One Piece if he attacks someone. I also think that more conditions and limitations are going to be introduced in the future, similar to how we only recently found out that Pika's Emperor Time siphons his lifespan. It's just too unbalanced right now. Maybe the beast we saw is going to play a role in administering certain conditions or backlash.
     
  11. tonpa Mafia

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    he said it himself he couldn't change the outcome to theta actions . Soo
     
  12. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Fair point i forgot about that, but even in that case she had a emotional connection to that TV show so the hatsu that was created goes along with that.

    So i think the nen beast giving him the ability makes more sense, not a big deal either way.

    We have to wait and see what togashi goes with. Its already a incredible ability but depending on the limitations like you listed out it could be even more broken.
     
  13. Yasha Procreate

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    Which translation did you read?
     
  14. Pyriz The Magician

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    Well again, I don't think we're talking about the same Nen beast. We're not talking about the spirit guardian, we're talking about that secondary Nen beast he developed as Hatsu that Theta said was unrelated to the spirit guardian from the ceremony. That Nen beast was his Hatsu and entirely his doing, and it's definitely connected to this ability.

    As for Neon's Hatsu development, yeah, you just need to be passionate about doing something, a quality which seems to describe Tserri's entire existence, whether it's his "art" and desire to see talented young people under duress, or his desire to win the succession war and become king. In this instance I think the former makes more sense
     
  15. Boomy Queen of Roses

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    I'm still curious why and HOW he can activate it through Zetsu. Even as a Specialist he's still under the rules of Nen.
     
  16. Pyriz The Magician

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    Certain Hatsu can still be used while under the effects of Zetsu depending on how they work. I would imagine Conjurers and Emitters would be able to maintain certain abilities while they're in Zetsu, and Camilla's hatsu activated during Zetsu as well. Being in a state of Zetsu just means you can no longer freely manipulate your aura, but if an ability is already active and is independent of the user there's no reason it couldn't stay active, though obviously this would depend on the Hatsu.
     
  17. Boomy Queen of Roses

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    It did not. She uses Zetsu merely as a bait to kill her. Her Hatsu is activated through post-mortem nen where usually it's the strongest.

    I don't recall anybody using Hatsu in Zetsu.
     
  18. Pyriz The Magician

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    She died in Zetsu, so it still applies. There is no rule which would make it impossible for Hatsu to remain active while in Zetsu, it would just make the user unable to manipulate Nen. Certain abilities are independent from the user after activation. Even then, however, it's entirely possible for Zetsu to act as a condition for an ability that isn't.
     
  19. Keishin Well-Known Member

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    She uses zetsu to max her counter type ability. She dies, her nen beast kills and revives and then she gets a permanent power-up.
     
  20. Boomy Queen of Roses

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    No it does not. Her Hatsu would trigger regardless whether she used Zetsu or not. The only activation for her Hatsu is to die. It's just Camilla is a moron who uses Zetsu to bait people when most would determine it's a bit suspicious. Unless you can prove her Zetsu was still active AFTER she died then we have no room for discussion.

    And I'm pretty sure that Hatsu still requires supply of aura to maintain it.
     
  21. Pyriz The Magician

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    She died. Her aura isn't going to start flowing normally again after she's dead lol. She goes from Zetsu, to nothing, to alive again.

    Again, it depends on the Hatsu. Knov was running around in Zetsu making his portals during the palace invasion. Certain abilities, especially Conjuration abilities I would assume, are independent from the user after activation, and can exist without their constant support.

    At the same time though, it's possible for Zetsu to be a condition for abilities from any affinity.
     
  22. snakeeater Well-Known Member

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    Zetsu just means closing your aura nodes. Some abilities don't require the user's direct input. They can persist independently after activation.
     
  23. Yasha Procreate

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    Zetsu is just stopping the aura from leaking out of your body. Nen is still within your body. However, as some pointed out, the future vision is from the POV of the insect-like nen beast. Whether the nen beast is still there when he activates Zetsu, we don't know.
     
  24. PwnGoatVSPandaman Narutoforums is cancer.

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    He means that his actions aren't noticed by theta, him saying something wouldn't be heard.

    Stabbing her in the back of the neck is another thing all together.
     
  25. Stilzkin Well-Known Member

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    It might not be, he might literally be in some other dimension at that time. It could be that the ability works like God's plan were the ability makes it so people are unable to process the user. But it also might the case that they can't hear him as the sound he is producing them is not able to reach them.
     
  26. Jake CENA BAH GAWD KING, IT'S JAKE CENA!!

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    the last chapter was fucking hilarious! togashi went out of his way to draw a diagram to explain shit! :hestonpls

    why is it so hard for him to explain shit in two sentences? :bookerskully

    the 500 words quota per panel is still consistent. togashi is on a roll! he must be receiving quite a handful of incentives holy shit!
     
  27. Pyriz The Magician

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    I don't think there's really a way to explain this ability with just two sentences, there's just too much going on. The diagram wasn't very helpful for me though.
     
  28. snakeeater Well-Known Member

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    It's a very complex ability. How would you explain it in two sentences?
     
  29. Danchou Antagonist

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    I just read this chapter. What a joke. Tsers zetsu is a realitywarping pre cognition ability. Thats broken beyond belief. Once again, i still dont understand why Togashi is giving him all these free nen passes. And i actually also stopped caring. I guess Togashi wants to break the nen board for him. I dont care how this particular tale ends, it only feels very cheap to me.
     
  30. Keishin Well-Known Member

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    Butthurt people are butthurt because these princes can solo meruem.
     
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