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I felt this needed a thread of it's own.

Discussion in 'Art Lounge' started by Kool ka lang, Jun 3, 2007.

  1. Kool ka lang

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    Inspiration-I felt this needed a thread of it's own.

    The following you're about to read, is about a person who asked a guy named marko djurdjevic, about how, in the world, is he able to produce some kick ass drawings, without ever having had formal training. Beware, it's a long read, but it'll definitely inspire you to keep drawing, and it definitely will help if you're stuck in an artblock, or finding that you're losing the inspiration you once had.

    I just felt like sharing this, since it kinda made yesterday and today a whole lot more interesting and fun, so yeah. Also, Pretty much all the threads in here are almost exactly the same, (guy/girl posts art, people react.) so I wanted to change it up a bit.


    Okay, so this'll mostly contain brokk(the guy asking a question), marko djurdjevic(guy being asked), and a few other posts, to provide some thought for one of his points (the education part.)

    also, Please read to the SECOND POST. Marko and brokk's convo continues a little bit more, and it gives you a more complete view of what he's getting at.

    Cheers, :beer


    Brokk:
    Marko Djurdjevic
     
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  2. Kool ka lang

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    Brokk
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    Helium Macaroni. (lol:))



    The original thread:

    So I hope this inspired you...or something.
     
  3. Kool ka lang

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    More counter arguements:

    BlackGuy
     
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    Very good read, I'm going to have to look further into that site.
     
  5. Kool ka lang

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    You read all of that? :huh
    that was fast.

    but yeah, that site is five thousand light years ahead of us. I found my head swimming when I first realized the work I had to do to get to their level.
     
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    Well, at least what you posted here. In terms of artistic inspirations, I'm kind of secluded to NF... so I'm going to do some exploring over there :D

    Edit - We really need more things like this in the AG.
     
  7. Kool ka lang

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    Just don't stray away from here though!:omg
    I found myself being on there for hours, and I was getting distanced from NF. Thankfully, I've found a balance, and I can go to both easily. It's easier to be inspired there, since more people are passionate about art there, and it's like, their life. so I wanted to bring some of that here, to keep some of you guys going.

    Yeah, I agree.
     
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    I read the two first posts...

    It's an interesting life philosophy. Thanks for sharing it with us :)

    I don't have art classes as well so I know what he means a bit by looking around to get the inspiration, and observing. But I notice he's extremely relaxed and enjoys life a lot. I'm more of a calm and serious person who will work step by step to learn, unlike him.

    But either way, it's good.


    Also a question about the forum ConceptArt... People like us/me cannot really go there, right ??......... Are they only professionals that work since a long time or...?
     
  9. Kool ka lang

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    you should the next few posts. it gives you a more complete feel of what marko's getting at. It also addresses why there's some flaws in his thinking that education is BS. But, you can be a calm and serious person, and still enjoy the things that are in your life.
     
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    Of course... I edited the end of my post btw ;D
     
  11. Dirty Harry

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    I've been lurking the AG and fan-art sections too long to want to leave XD

    And I'd have to agree with "BlackGuy's" philosophy, finding a balance between formal and experimental education. I like the idea of picturing formal education as a tool to amplify your thoughts onto paper/etc.
     
  12. Kool ka lang

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    Scuba:Yep, that's why I provided the counter arguements.

    Oh nononononononononononoononoononononoononononononononoononnoononononon.




    no.

    Anybody can be on that site.

    That's the beauty of it. There's a sketchbook section there, where people post stuff, that they sketch, no matter how horridly ridicilously bad it is. That's the awesome thing. No one will judge you there. The basic aim of that site, is for the professionals, other people who're skilled/talented, and your own peers, to share their knowledge on art, to help everybody else, get better.

    There are even 8 year old's posting sketchbooks there I heard. and even oldies post there. It ranges from the 15 year old super-kid, to a 30 year old woman wanting to rekindle her love for art. from newbie concept artists fresh from college, to the veterans of movie design/ game design.

    But hey, if you guys decide to join that site, let me know, mmkay?


    lol, this thread's turning into a conceptart.org advertisement, :shakefist. Oh well.
     
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    ahaha I guess I'll join. If I look at their level, only 2-3 of my artworks could be published outside of the sketch book (Summer Fire, Sun and Sand... and maybe a portrait or two) but I'll give it a try. I'll start by being discreet XD
     
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    And here is his MySpace account: listen on myspace

    He does really good work !
     
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    Now it's becoming a Marko advertisement :sag
    Too bad he doesn't have a DA.
     
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    Yeah, Marko's definitely an inspiration. His work for Marvel is intense. Yall should check out the dvd he's got out. If you're willing to dish out $40-ish bucks.
     
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    lol I wish. Need to get a job first. :sag
     
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    As long as you have the dedication and the drive I don't think you ever really need to take any art classes. Me for example, this year I took a AP Studio Art Class, before that the only art class I had taken at school was Freshman Art 1.

    It's all about having the motivation.

    (I didn't read the that whole thing, but I read some of it and I think I got the idea)
     
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    I showed this thread to my mother, she's an art-historian(for those who don't know, it's a person who specialises in the science and philosophy behind art) and she's going to post something later on. But she explained me the sum of the discussion:
    'nature vs. nurture'
    It's about talent versus formal training.

    Anyway, I think they're both important.
    I'm also very selftaught(never took a real art-class), but I learned a whole deal from tutorials and artbooks that I couldn't have taught myself.
    For an example, I never had to be taught anything about composistion, it's practically a second nature to me, but I learned most of my knowledge in colours through trial and error, and things like perspective and anatomy had to be learned from an artbook or something similar.

    Hell, I'm pretty certain that if I never saw an artbook before, I wouldn't be as good as I am now. Also, some artist's out there(rob liefeld) make, even though being proffesionals, some dreadfull consistent amateuristic mistakes.(and rob liefeld is self-taught too...)

    Going out there and visit the wonder that is the world, is very important, but formal education in the science of art is equilly important.

    EDIT: I'm also agreeing with blackberet, if you don't do something with any of your talents, you might aswel give'em to someone else...
     
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    my hero :laugh
    totally agree

    i'm in artclasses studying to be an illustrator/comicbookartist
    and well the artclasses are hard and just want you to keep you drawing daily or weekly i'm one of the best of my class and i got a 10 or 11 on 20

    as for the illustration class where you work allmost freely i get much better grades cause i'm more motivated cause i can allmost do what i want

    i'm a big fan of artclasses (cause i wanna teach them if i fail as an artist XD)
    but i'm an even bigger fan of youre own view on things and youre personal touch of creating stuff

    the more i get teached in anatomy the more i tend to draw more abstract figures than i used to.

    i love this dude awesome art book (saves all)

    as for now i'll crawl back in my dark little corner :sweatdrop
     
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    Jef is alive T.T omg !

    I never really followed art classes like I said previously, but I've seen of my friends doing it. After a year, she's dropping the course even though she had so much talent and potential. They made her draw draw draw until she lost the will... It's quite sad. She didn't even drew for herself ! Only for school. And the worst is that seeing her works, she didn't even improve that much. :(
     
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    Yeah, you're right about the motivation. I was lacking some of that yesterday, But I think I got some today.:woo

    Is she stilll gonna post something? it'd be great if she could contribute or something.:wink

    jeff:
    hhmmmm so the opposite happens to you eh? I think it's happening to me too(I have more abstract looking things in my sketchbook than realistic or traditional looking things, ever since I started artclass.). :s
    I think you're view on everybody's own view is right on it, and totally agree with you.

    That sucks when you see someone you know lose interest in it, especially if you're into it. But what can you do? Art just isn't the thing for some, for others, it's their life.

    EDIT:lol got lazy. :p
     
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    Wow did you check CHOW (character of the week) and COW (creature of the week) on Conceptart ? It's very inspiring !! but the people on there are so good I'm scared of entering XD
     
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