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I think it's pretty safe to say that Kakashi is one of many in Konoha.

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by lekki, Oct 8, 2006.

  1. lekki

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    By this, I mean that there are quite a few Kakashi level jounins in Konoha. It's just that we haven't seen them.

    Why do I think this?

    There'd be a really giant problem at the moment with Akatsuki members running around for the kages.

    If any one Akatsuki member is atleast double Kakashi and in Naruto as in most animes, a stronger character is simply a stronger character and no amount of enemies really makes a difference, they're all dead when going up against the one.

    If this is the case, then the kages would be calling a state of emergency and sending pretty much the whole village after the Akatsuki members.

    People like Sai and Yamato showing up are proof of this. Each village has a lot more to offer than what we've seen. All we ever get are the interactons between the main characters.

    My two cents.
     
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  2. Zorokiller

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    But...That was obvious...right?
     
  3. Wrath

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    Yes, there are at least four people roughly on the same level as Kakashi in Konoha - Kakashi, Yamato, Gai and Asuma. Kakashi is almost certainly the strongest of them, though, given that he has the Mangekyou now. Shizune and Kurenai may also be on this level. Then there's Danzou, who was probably almost as strong as Sarutobi when he was in his prime, and so has probably fallen to around the same level as Kakashi.

    After this training, Naruto will probably be stronger than Kakashi. And of course if he goes to KN3 (let alone KN4) he becomes capable of insta-pwning Kakashi-level characters.

    So, yeah, there are plenty of people on roughly the same level as Kakashi in terms of strength. But there aren't any who have as much going for them as Kakashi, whose greatest weapon is his mind.
     
  4. Drainz

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    i think its possible.. but what makes kakashi so unique is of course his sharingan.. and that he has the knowledge of over a 1000 jutsus.. prolly 900 more than any other jounin, and jutsus exclusive to just him and his sharingan. but aside from this, strength wise, chakra and stamina, hes prolly got rivals somewhere in the village that we dont know about yet.
     
  5. MS81

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    I think Asuma,Gai,and Yamato are almost on the same level I there is something that seperates Kakashi from them other than having the sharingan.
    almost like whatever they lack he got.
     
  6. shintebukuro

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    On the topic of there being more powerful ninjas than what we've seen: Yes this is apparent, given Chiyo/Ebizou and Danzou poping out of nowhere.

    On the topic of there being "Kakashi level" jounins in Konoha: I really don't think so. I believe post timeskip Kakashi is incredibly strong, and I really don't see any other jounins in Konoha matching him besides Gai and perhaps Danzou.
     
  7. SGLP

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    A lot of them died when Orochimaru came to time.

    Besides the parents of the all the cool kids, I don't think there is many more. Maybe some people in ANBU or something... For the most part I think Kakashi is the cream of the crop. Hence his reputation.
     
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    Yea why didnt anyone mention the parents earlier. They all seem to be insanely powerful.
     
  9. Soljah

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    I think only ones on Kakashi lvl / near his lvl is Gai and probably Yamato. Asuma fell out to me cause i thought he would have stronger jutsu than he used in his recent fight. Kakashi and Gai alwayz pull out something impressive in their fights something new and good. Asuma just smokes.
     
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    LOL! But that is what Asmua pwn is because he smokes!
     
  11. Rikudou Sennin

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    And how exactly does this show that kakashi is 'ordinary'? And no kage would sent his entire village after the akatsuki, why anger a near unstopable force as long as they havent done anything to you?

    They attacked Suna, so Suna is pissed at them. Their after Naruto and a (former) member of them killed their Sandaime, and a still current member killed off one of their most valuable clans (itachi), so thats reason enough for Konoha to hate them, but not even Konoha would take too big of risks. Not to mention the fact that Tsunade thinks of naruto as a little brother influence her decisions greatly.

    Kakashi is the strongest Konoha Jounin as far as im concerned. Strenght isnt something random is manga/anime's. His father was one of Konoha strongest shinobi ever, and he was the prized student of the Yondaime (arguably the strongest shinobi ever period.). There isnt anyone out there that has the same kind of (or even better) heritage.

    Kakashi is probably Low Kage level at this point and will most likely one day equal his father in strenght, if not surpass. So that would make him Sannin level (Sannin prima level mind you.), so Kakashi can take out an Akatsuki. (or do you believe Tobi to be stronger then Kakashi?) I think your underestimating Kakashi.

    Ofcourse the villages are more then weve seen so far, weve been focused on a particular group of people, but so far Kakashi has been teh strongest konoha character that weve seen besides Jiraiya & Tsunade.
     
  12. zrahl7

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    But you know we've never really seen what the Akatsuki members have done outside of Konoha and the Gaara's village. They probably all have some interesting pasts.
     
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    Nobody would know, because we haven't exactly seen Tobi fight.
     
  14. Aman

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    I don't think that there's a huge difference between Kakashi and the other jounins/special jounins, although he probably is stronger, I don't think there's a huge difference.

    So I agree, lekki. :amuse
     
  15. iander

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    Yeah Kakashi is quite strong but there are plenty of people that come close. Like most of you said theres asuma, Gai, Danzou, Yamato, Naruto, the Parents and theres also those 2 old people who could be Sarutobi's teamates.
     
  16. Hamaru

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    Yea they would have to have people on his level. But I doubt they will stay on it.
     
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    Well it's true that there are ninjas as strong as Kakashi. (Naruto, Gai, asuma, Jiriya?)And probably stronger ones too. But he does have the Sharigan and chidori. Well i guess everyone has their specialty that they used to get to their current rank.
     
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    They were Sarutobi's teammates, that has been confirmed. :nod
     
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    Exactly. I agree with this. I'm really doubting that there are a whole ton of no name ninjas in Konoha on Kakashi's level; hence, why all of Akatsuki will never attack Konoha as a whole (like they should).
     
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    I did not think about that lol
     
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    I disagree. Jounin means upper ninja, they are not supposed to be many.
    Talent is a rare gift, and it's used to be in charge of lots of chuunins.
     
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    Kisame & Itachi > Kakashi imo
     
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    Kakashi is the strongest Jounin in Konoha and his rival Gai is second. This is not only because of Kakashi's skills, but also because he has the "will of fire."

    Each generation produces a single ninja who is the Hokage heir-apparent. They show incredible potential as a youngster and are given to another Hokage heir-apparent for training. They are supposed to be taught not just how to fight, but the "will of fire" as well.

    This is why Jiraiya is so important to Konoha. When Sarutobi failed to pass the "will of fire" on to Orochimaru, there was an possibly-terminal interruption in this chain of Hokages. Jiraiya stepped into the breach; not only did he (with Naruto) persuade Tsunade to become his generation's Hokage, but he trained the next generation's.

    Anyway, this is why Kakashi is so elite. He is the heir-apparent to the Yondaime. He was a young prodigy who has learned the "will of fire." When the need arises, he will be able to perform at a much higher level than we have seen from him. Barring his untimely death, he will be the next Hokage.
     
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    Kakashi and Gai are equal in battle.
    I believe Gai is winning by one at the moment, in his battles with Kakashi.
    So Gai is equal.

    However, Gai trains to beat Kakashi, others couldn't avoid Kakashis sharingan or other tricks he does.

    Strongest Ninjas:
    Itachi
    Sasuke
    Naruto
    Orochimaru
    Jiariya
    Tsunade
    Kakashi
    Gai
     
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    I doubt there are many ninjas like Kakashi. In my opinion Kakashi is certainly the strongest jounin in Konoha and after the timeskip he is probably capable to give problems to Tsunade.

    In my opinion only Asuma, Kurenai and Gai are in the same tier of Kakashi (and Kakashi is still stronger than all of them)...in my opinion they are the only jounins that could give problems to an Akatsuki member 1 vs 1. All the others would need teamwork to confront an Akatsuki.

    Yamato isn't THAT impressive. In my opinion he is around Shizune's level...capable to give some problems to a Elite Jounin like Kabuto but still clearly under them 1 vs 1. Do you think Kakashi would be defeated that easily against Sasuke?. You can give all the excuses you want but I doubt Kakashi could suffer the same destiny of Yamato when he had someone like Sai backing up him.
     
  27. sexualrug

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    I really hope you are kidding with your list. There is no way that naruto and sasuke are stronger than jiraiya/oro/tsunade.

    Kakashi should be the strongest of his generation (this means amongst all of the jounin such as asuma/kurenai/gai) but he is weaker than his previous generation people (jiraiya/oro/tsunade) and from his younger generation so far I would say only itachi has surpassed him.

    Soon sasuke and naruto will have also surpassed him.
     
  28. Sasuke`

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    Well.. I think the thing that seperates him from the rest of the jounins is the sharingan.. and now he has MS. Which is a really big factor. Some of the other jounins are probably as "strong" as him.. but theres only a couple that can fight a sharingan user.
     
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