Discussion in 'Comics Battledome' started by Kuya, Oct 7, 2006.
Battlefield = Earth
Can fight to their fullest potential.
During Thanos Quest, one of the first pages shows Thanos moving through different diamentions looking for the inbetweener. One of them froze him completely, Thanos defrosted himself with no damage.
I can't see iceman winning , he doesn't have the attack power to hurt Thanos , his defence will only last so long as Thanos will no doubt work a way to deal with the logia like body.
iceman can be omega all he wants, he's not gonna beat the sly Thanos. Thanos will figure out rather quickly what to do with iceman considering he has been around for quite a looooooooong time.
Iceman can't freeze Thanos, since he has complete molecular control over his own body.
^Exactly. Iceman will prove a mere annoyance to Thanos.
But at the sametime Iceman has infinite potential meaning he can possibly control the liquid around the universe. Since part of beings are made of water could he strip Thanos down, like pull the water inside of him out so his body breaks down?
As said above, Thanos would have too much control over himself for that to happen. Without a way to harm Thanos and Thanos being a genius able to change hopeless situations into victorys.
Thanos couldn't win unless he had access to his tech though, but yea there's nothing Iceman could do to beat him.
Thanos could just vaporize the planet and all the water vapor with it.
Yea, I didn't think about that... What would happen if Iceman tried to survive inside Thanos' body, could he expel Iceman?
Yes, he has power cosmic and complete molecular control of his own body.
Thanos is an Eternal, keep in mind. One of the perks of being an Eternal is complete self-molecular control.
The thing is at his full potential seeing as he has limitless potential he should be able to control water across the universe meaning Thanos would have to earase moiste completly. And even so what if Iceman can then create moiste?
Except he has never shown the ability to do this....
I don't know his power for sure. But while he might be able to control it, it wouldn't be a part of his body. Meaning Thanos could 'Destroy' Iceman without him coming into contact with water outside of earth.
(With no Psonic immunity, iceman is screwed tbh)
Too many Thanos threads ¬___¬
Use another character damit!
Anyway , Thanos wins this one.
couldnt thanos take iceman out with a psionic attack?
and even if he did have the potential to control all moisture across the universe he doesnt have the power level to control all the molecules in the universe in a short enough time to take thanos out
The joys of LIMITLESS potential.Iceman puts him at absolute zero and wins.
You obviously don't know what self molecular control is. Or.. You just don't read.
He is at his fullest potential he has limitless potential he most likely could.
You obviously don't know that it wouldn't matter.Absolute zero stops all kinetic energy including the energy in molecules and atoms.He can't even form a thought much less do anything.
This isn't your average human, as i said earyler. Check out Thanos quest, he was frozen solid and shrugged it off as it was nothing.
stop using this limitless potential argument, that is not what omega-level means.
iceman can't pull water vapor from across the universe (a VACUUM). iceman can't just create moisture outta nowhere either which is why he needs it around. thanos doesn't have to destroy all moisture he can just walk up to iceman, whup his ass and knock him out (omegas can be knocked out ya know) and go have lunch.
Explain the term then I have always seen it as limitless potential and I didn't say he could drag it across space I said if moiste was destroyed in a particular area he could move elsewhere no matter the distance.
I don't really know how Thanos would knock Iceman out, as he is now yes but at his fullest potential I don't really see that happening.
the levels of mutants are determined by how close they are to reaching Phoenix (they can reach Celestial and Eternity, but Phoenix is what the levels are based on). Omega is a mutant who is the closest to reaching the limits (meaning not limitless) of their mutation. Jean and Quire reached this which is why Phoenix was called the "ultimate mutation". Jean's essence traveled back in time to her as Marvel Girl (X-Men Forever). the level isn't something u can reach though, but a powerful mutant can past omega to their offspring. say Nate Grey (Cyclops and Jean), Magneto's son Joseph was supposed to be Omega level. it isn't limitless, it is just the closes to reaching phoenix.....but they still have to adapt to using their powers just like everyone else.
so if Thanos (i'm not making this argument though) destroyed all vapor and moisture on a planet, how will iceman travel the distance???? Thanos can knock Iceman out no matter what potential he is at because his brain can still register a knockout. he can still be given a concussion, he can still be hurt, he can still lose his breath to the point where he can hardly stay alive (see X-Men 190).
Except your wrong.Xavier defined omega mutants as having unlimited potential.You've either never seen X-men forever or have a very selective memory when it comes to it.Iceman was completely incinerated and came back without a problem.Beat Prosh whose WAY beyond Thanos and was able to stop the Stranger who is WAY WAY WAY beyond Thanos.
There's a difference between being frozen and being put at absolute zero.All motion stops.Not even atomic and sub-atomic particles move.Thanos couldn't do anything if he wanted to.
Iceman would be able to do jack on Thanos. He is more of an annoyance then anything and gets to annoying Thanks may thow him in a dimention void of water.
Thanos isn't affect by any weather there is pratically anything that can hurt him for long. There is a reason this guy is adored by mistress death... he's a freaking immortal.
um if someone is close to attaining a level that they are not at what does that make it...........a limit. there is a limit to what iceman can do considering he is not Phoenix, a Celestial, or Eternity. meaning that if he was to hit one of those his classification will not be omega-level anymore, meaning it is NOT unlimited. i've read X-Men Forever, but if u read Endsong u would have a better understanding buddy. it was already confirmed as well that Prosh pushed Iceman to the limit of his potential (hmmmmmmmmmm) in that same comic that said omegas had unlimited potential.
Stranger (who is so greater than Thanos) struggled with Hulk and Quasar (same Quasar who was killed by Annihilus).
also go read X-Men 190 (its called recent comics) in which Iceman was about to die because he couldn't breathe and Mystique had to give him mouth to mouth.
also X-Men Forever is heavily debated in terms of canon because it contradicts stories that have ocurred and stories that are going on.
and all Iceman did to Prosh was freeze him in which he changed his mass into another form and went into another plane of reality. then i could've sworned it was a collective group who fought the Stranger.
and for a guy who slept in space!!!!!!!!(thanos). theres a big difference between being frozen and absolute zero but there isn't much difference between absolute zero and just 3 degrees above it (space). thanos has been in space plenty of times, he's dealing with cosmics. in Celestial Quest he even went into space after releasing the Power Cosmic (u do know that he has that right??????)
In end song the shiar said that only omega's could serve as hosts to phoenix because their bodies won't burn out with power because of their unlimited potential.And no prosh didn't bring out his full potential he showed him how to better use his powers.Prosh was able to to do that because Iceman unfroze him after they got rid of the wirus that made him attack them.Yes they all did fight the stranger but Iceman was the only one to actually do anything to him.Actually the difference between absolute zero and 3 degrees above is vastly more than being frozen and being in space.