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Ichigo & Naruto vs Luffy & Yusuke

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Shazam, Mar 20, 2019.

  1. Adamant soul Well-Known Member

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    That's because of his sickness and you know it. :maybe

    Kenpachi himself (in his fight with Ichigo) explains that reiatsu acts like armour and you need to have at least comparable reiatsu to break through that shit.

    Yammy does not suffer from any illness (other than his own stupidity) and he was just shown tanking a Getsuga from Masked Ichigo before Kenpachi showed up and sliced him like a knife through butter.
     
  2. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Yammy's first form. Second one had a narrow loss over Byakuya and Kenpachi combined so I doubt the latter had more reiatsu at the time he beat Nnoitra.

    Ignoring that. Yammy doesn't scale to the speed feat. You'd need to be fast enough to exceed Uryu's reaction time to get any benefits. The two fought and Yammy demonstrably is not that fast.
     
  3. GoldenHeart Born again

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    What even is the tally of Uryu's feat anyways
    i keep reading people throwing around from Mach 1200 to Mach 4400 :dank
     
  4. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    >Expecting Belch to have concrete and clear feats/showings on NF.
    > Did they just defrost you or smth ?
     
  5. WorldsStrongest Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist

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    Im lost on what they could even be referring to :dank

    Uryu did a thing in the Hm arc besides getting shafted by the 8th espada???

    lolwut?
     
  6. Hardcore Well-Known Member

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    I think the feat is from his fight with the Privaron Espada, which included a very low timeframe for vibration or something like that

    the Bala 20x speed multiplier definitely does not apply to that, even something as clear as the Kaioken multiplier is not stacked here
     
  7. Daio Well-Known Member

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    Nah, not really. Nothing suggests his reiatsu was greater than Zaraki's and Byakuya didn't do nearly as much damage with his Bankai compared to a Patched and Sealed Zaraki's swings.

    In fact, Zaraki pretty much dominated Yammy before his rage transformation, while Patched.
     
  8. Alita54 Alita>You

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    Can someone link me to this calc that apparently makes uryu anywhere from mach 1200 to mach 3200. Been hearing this thrown around a lot with no proof to back it up.
     
  9. Ayy lmao Well-Known Member

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    so we're supposed to believe Zaraki struggled with Noitra, to casually defeating someone massively stronger than H2 Ichigo??
     
  10. GoldenHeart Born again

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    they're talking about this
     
  11. WorldsStrongest Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist

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    Confused...Are people trying to equate Uryus Hirenkyaku with Seele Schnieders revolutions/vibrations?

    How does that work :drake
     
  12. Adamant soul Well-Known Member

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    It was explained in the last arc that Kenpachi had, subconsciously, placed mental limiters on his power (this happened during a fight with Unohana he had when he was younger).

    Anytime he is brought to the brink of death (such as his fights with Ichigo and later Nnoitra) some of those limiters are broken and he gets access to more of his power. This is how he was able to beat Tosen and dominate Yammy despite struggling with weaker opponents before hand.
     
  13. Ayy lmao Well-Known Member

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    yea I know that, but for him to jump tiers in the span of hours?? He wasnt even that wounded during his fight with Noitra IRRC, so I dont see why his zenkai boost should be that huge but w/e
     
  14. Alita54 Alita>You

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    How does this translate to mach 3200 again? And when did this feat happen again?
     
  15. Adamant soul Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much yeah.

    It's a bullshit excuse to keep Kenpachi relevant without actually having to make him work for the power-up. Even in the last arc, someone else had to make the sacrifice to break the last of his limiters and get him to full power. Kenpachi gets all his power-ups, free of charge.
     
  16. GoldenHeart Born again

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    I'm not a calcer so asking me is futile :catshrug
    Around chapter 258 iirc
     
  17. lol 4th dimension reiatsu Well-Known Member

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    In that same page, he has his hand right in front of his face.

    Because he overcome all of their energy so there was nothing to explode anymore, ultrafragor had already formed the rings a while ago, Aizen didn't shoot just because he wanted to talk some more.
     
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  18. Divell King of Trolls

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    You miss a huge opportunity
     
  19. Divell King of Trolls

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    Shunpo, Sonido, etc. All come down to skill.
     
  20. Xhominid The Avaricious

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    Ironically that part is true despite you making it out as a joke. Ukitake does have more reiatsu than most Captains and that's due to Mimihagi... except he needs all of that power to not immediately drop dead from his sickness.

    If he can perceive it, he should be able to move as fast, that should be pretty obvious.

    And for the rest of you, I'm going to explain Yammy one more time because you kinda have to read other sources on Yammy to understand why he seems so off.
    Basically unlike every other Espada, Yammy literally does not know how to use his power effectively...
    It's even obvious in his fighting style before he uses Ressurcion, it's just pure power with no finesse whatsoever. And Aizen ONLY ranked the Espada due to power levels, not through skill. So Yammy is the most powerful Espada... but because he doesn't even know how to harden his skin efficiently or know how to use his power well... Byakuya and Kenpachi was able to make him their bitches with no real effort.
     
  21. Alita54 Alita>You

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    I meant that I wanted to know how it was calced to come to that number.
     
  22. Daio Well-Known Member

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    Final arc elaborated on why Zaraki gets so much stronger after a near death battle and nothing suggests Yammy is anywhere close to the level of Ichigo's Full Hollowfication.

    Also, Nnoitra has the highest durability of the Espada, so, Zaraki being able to cut Yammy isn't much of a big deal in itself.
     
  23. Daio Well-Known Member

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    I know that.
     
  24. Ayy lmao Well-Known Member

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    No he doesnt? It's impossible to tell which hand he has moved.

    Nice headcanon, and also not how explosion works. Overcoming the energy of a bomb doesnt prevent it from exploding. The ultrafragors had formed, but did not explode, you cant prove whether the Fragors were fully charged or not.
     
  25. Divell King of Trolls

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    Except that Reiatsu attacks do not give a fuck if you decide to explode or not. Look at Lana del Relampago and Hollow Ichigo. It also got overwhelmed.

    When an energy attack gets overwhelmed, that is what happens.
     
  26. Hardcore Well-Known Member

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    >destroying a nuke before it explodes = overwhelming the nuke's energy

    Kubo physics :mjlol

    though I agree that's probably what it is in Bleach, Kubo just not wanting to waste the ink to prove the point
     
  27. Ayy lmao Well-Known Member

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    Except the same thing did not happen in that instance. Lana del Relampago exploded after getting fully charged, Fragor did not. All Dangai did was slap away the Fragors before they got fully charged
     
  28. Divell King of Trolls

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    Lanza is an energy lance. Ichigo crushed it. Ultra Flagor is several energy disk, which Ichigo cut through.
     
  29. GoldenHeart Born again

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    Nothing to do with whatever you guys are debating but:
    Why is Vasto Lorde Ichigo just put at small city in the wiki? Wasn't the Lanza calced at city level a fuckton of times? :thunk
     
  30. Ayy lmao Well-Known Member

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    he slapped Aizen, the fragors dissapered off-screen.
     
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