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If Akainu were a pirate...

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Luiz, Feb 9, 2018.

  1. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    @ Sanji.

    Luffy no sells Sengoku's technique though, not because of stamina but he simply successfully defends against the technique. I don't give Sengoku any flack for that. I'm simply suggesting that if a nerfed Yonkou gets flack for that then a fully healed Fleet Admiral should get even more flack for that. Especially because Sengoku's opponent is inferior to the Yonkou's opponent and Sengoku uses an actual punch while the Yonkou uses less than a slap. :p
     
  2. SupremeKage Sanji>Zoro Fite Me

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    This thread :hestonpls
     
  3. IchijiNijiSanji Well-Known Member

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    He doesn't no sell it. He bleeds out of his mouth.
     
  4. Admiral Kizaru One Piece Expert

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    You're free to believe whatever ignorant shit you want to. I've been on here long enough to accept that "Goharaism" isn't something that can be cured by facts & reason or heck even new events occuring in the manga. :kanyeshrug




    As for the last paragraph:

    Jozu gets a free shot at Aokiji - gives him a lip bleed. Aokiji gets a free shot at Jozu - instant K.O.

    Marco & Vista get a free shot at Akainu - no damage, just annoyance. Akainu gets a free shot - drills a giant hole through your body or burns of half your head.


    But yeah Jozu & Marco vs an Admiral is the same thing as Two Admirals vs a Yonkou. :lbj

    Go ahead, keep preaching those core pillars of Goharism to the OL.
     
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  5. Don King Pirate King

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    You're the one who can't understand things Did you really just ignored where I replied that post for?, I'm talking about the overall argument here not just in that thread but I think you understand, you just ignored it, I mean, if this is so easy, why the 3 Admirals didn't attack the 1 Yonko since according to you low diff or no diff at all, I don't find a problem here since 3v1 top tier is no difficulty at all. Akainu can be PK in one year? again according to you without the MC privilege because he is so strong but for two years he didn't accomplish anything, why is that?
     
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  6. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    Why didn't Kizaru shot Luffy's head instead of key?

    Why didn't Akainu strike a second time after frying WB's inside or Kizaru after putting a laser through his chest?

    Why didn't Kizaru beat Marco & let him leave after Onigumo cuffed him with Kairosaki?

    #Plot
     
  7. Don King Pirate King

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    Now you're calling it plot? when you guys even said Akainu didn't need plot to become PK? Lol. :camby

    and so that you know to become PK you need the thing called "the voice of all things" did Akainu have that? no. :drake

    Oh, you Admiral fan the thing that came out of your ass just to defend your admiral fantasies. :kobeha
     
  8. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    Does he though? It 's not he is lacking in power, hype department. Not to mention he is either Luffy's final or penultimate opponent which should give someone an understanding of how strong he is.

    Unless you want to save your face bringing an asinine argument that Oda factored plot armor when he made that statement.

    Do you ? When did Oda say it? I might have missed it.
     
  9. Don King Pirate King

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    Depend on what you think the MC are, I'm talking about what Luffy have now Robin, he can be allied to anyone etc so it's clear just being powerful is not enough. I didn't said he is lacking power or hype but he just need more than that that's why I mention the "Voice of all things", Why Kaido can't become PK when he is the strongest? you even need to find a Robin just to read the poneglyph or the third eye(if this is really the case about pudding).
    agree Oda didn't said it, but isn't obvious? the late PK have that and the future have that. Why do you think no one become PK? cause you just don't need to become powerful being you need this characteristic which you think Akainu didn't need, all he have to do is become powerful? lol
     
  10. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    Oda said one piece would of been done the same year of serialization if the dog were a main caster.:bookerskully

    Just bow down to the cigar and Hawaiian suit.
     
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  11. Don King Pirate King

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    I'm not arguing that, Yes, If he is the MC but some people think he can just because he is powerful. :hestonpls


    and I think I'm done, It produced a lot of activity now, a 7 page thread. that's awesome :mahbama
     
  12. Seraphoenix Kaladin Stormblessed

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    What feats pray tell?

    The Yonkou fought healthy WB for territory and didn't get 2 shot. That shits on anything Akainu has done.

    Shanks splitting the heavens with a stabilised WB that didn't suffer from heart attacks and inconsistent haki, shits on anything Akainu has done.

    Stabilised WB was introduced as WSM. None of the garbage you spew will somehow morph MF WB into that man.

    Like @Freechoice has said before, you're full of shit like the other admiral fans, you just mask it with flowery language and sophistry.

    Half of your contentions don't even withstand the merest of scrutiny. You will happily say that an admiral will mid diff a FM but will cry pyrrhic victory for them not taking on Shanks with only Akainu injured (Even though nothing in the manga remotely suggests that bullshit as Sengoku backed down unconditionally).

    That's why you have to spam ''tier specialist''. Because at the heart of it you really have no actual arguments for Yonkou=Admirals besides a deluded view of WB's standing at MF and muh iconic Japanese actors. That's why you have to meme people like Gohara or show such antipathy toward Don King, because they go at the heart of your fanfics and that irks you, whether you're willing to admit it or not.
     
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  13. GrizzlyClaws Big Bad Grizzly

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    Holy shit, dude, Oda literally said Akainu would become PK if he was the main character. He did not say if he was just a pirate. Without main character perks Akainu would never become PK, as that is reserved for Luffy.

    My god, is this really what the argument in this thread is all about? Akainu just overrides Luffys or anyones elses MC perks by just being a pirate and becomes PK himself? How asinine can this thread become? Give it a rest.
     
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  14. MO Well-Known Member

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    yes he is. whitebeard 20 years after his prime was still considered the strongest man. That should tell the difference between pirate king level and normal top tiers.
     
  15. Admiral Kizaru One Piece Expert

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    Pretty much this.

    Though I think this was the most egregious one of them all.




    The war could have been over at that point.


    :hestonpls

    > Claims we use sophistry and provide no actual arguments
    > Writes a tl;dr moaning & bitching about how unfair things are on here and saying "you're wrong!!!!" without providing any arguments



    Wew lad :mjlol


    P.S.



    At least OJ isn't as dumb as this place is. :ufdup



    ehhh? WB had no motivation to be PK so it's not a fair comparison. He lacked motivation and MC luck, not strength. Same thing with Akainu given Oda's statement about him.
     
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  16. IchijiNijiSanji Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure he meant in strength.
    WB was Roger's equal in that department after all.
     
  17. Don King Pirate King

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    and plot that gave WB his lack of Coa, Coo and heart attack, If not by that GG, easy, rekt. anything you said can be refuted so technically your not entirely right but then again you always pick what may help you with your argument.:mjpls:

    So again your full of shit. :kobeha
     
  18. Admiral Kizaru One Piece Expert

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    You seem to be having a hard time here. :lbj

    1. It's ordinarily not going to be as easy as that. However it demonstrates my first point which you seem to be still struggling to comprehend or answer that a FREE SHOT from a top tier is lethal and usually should be a K.O.

    2. You don't seem to also understand what saying plot implies. WB poor health was already well established and it's logical within the scope of the story that Oda set up that over exerting himself against a top tier like Akainu there would trigger a heart attack.

    Whereas a guy who's been characterised as ruthless, efficient and pragmatic killing machine like Akainu deciding not to aim at his head at that instance is contradictory to his character and done because the plot still needed WB to stick around.
     
  19. Don King Pirate King

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    No, not at all.

    that's why plot works both ways, Oda decided to give him health issue because if he is healthy and can perform Coa,Coo and Coc to his heart content what the Admirals can do? Have you ever notice that WB have only 1 scar thru out his career before MF and the one who give that to him is Roger the PK which means he is not the type of fighter that tank attack carelessly and there is so many old man in this series that still healthy even in old age but Oda only decide to give WB health issue.

    If you want plot that only give favor to one side of the faction you should look at WCI arc to BM but in MF both side got their own plot device.
     
  20. Admiral Kizaru One Piece Expert

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    You still don't understand what a fucking FREE SHOT is and instead you're constantly replying with mindless irrelevant guff or crappy attempts to create false equivalences. Please do better.

    Yes WB's poor health contributed to Akainu getting that free shot in the first place but it doesn't negate the CONSEQUENCES of it. How exactly is him having better CoC, CoO or being more healthier going to stop Akainu burning a hole through him if he's allowed to attack Whitebeard who's able to offer zero defence or resistance?

    Point is you don't give lethal fighters like Admirals or Yonkous free openings and ordinarily in a fair fight these sort of things wouldn't occur. But in an unequal fight they would easily occur, hence the point I was making which you're constantly whining about and having a brain aneurysm over because your simple mind can't comprehend fighters like Shanks ever losing in low difficulty circumstances.
     
  21. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    @ Admiral Kizaru.

    Think what you want, anyone can accuse anyone of never changing their minds regardless of new feats. I know that I've changed my rankings on various occasions and can easily cite examples if you really care that much, but think what you want.

    The point is, your arguments have a lot of points that need to be addressed, it seems strange to complain that incomplete arguments have yet to convince (insert poster- in this case Don King).

    And as for your Vista and Marco example, you don't have to convince me that the "one character can hold off another character while another character gets a free shot in" reasoning doesn't always nor even often apply. There are scenarios where they can work but there are many where they don't. Kizaru has gotten many free shots in throughout the series that didn't incapacitate his opponents. The same has happened to Akainu and Aokiji on multiple occasions. Despite those examples you're still assuming that those free shots automatically work. So why not the same for an Admiral vs. Jozu and Marco match up? Breaking a neck is easy for Jozu.

    As for Jozu vs. Aokiji, again, you're only looking at one example. Doflamingo gave Aokiji a free shot and it was unsuccessful. Jinbe has withstood a free shot from Akainu. A significantly battle worn Pre Time Skip Luffy has survived a free shot from Akainu and withstood free shots from Kizaru. Also, hitting someone in the face isn't Jozu's only option for free shots. What's preventing Jozu from breaking Aokij's neck in a comparable scenario? And again, superior one shot ability =/= power levels. Kizaru easily has the least impressive one shot ability amongst the Admirals. Yet Kizaru isn't inferior to most of the Admirals. Sugar's character has one of the most impressive one shot abilities in the series, and yet it's questionable if her character is even superior to the average Vice Admiral.
     
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  22. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    A significant portion if not most free shots that we've seen from the Admirals have not incapacitated their opponents. And seeping Mochi into opponents' bodies, slicing heads off, breaking necks, etc. are about as one shot effective as it gets. Even setting aside differences in the rankings of the Admirals, it's not exclusive to top tier characters. And in the context of a 1 Yonkou vs. 2 other characters type of match up I don't know why we should all agree that it would be as easy as having that free shot, most of the Yonkou that we've seen so far have Godly levels of defense. :p
     
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  23. Jake CENA BAH GAWD KING, IT'S JAKE CENA!!

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    If Akainu were a pirate, then there would be no need for Yonkous. He will solo the New World alone.
     
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  24. akainuDragonFan Active Member

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    Basically what kuzan has become.
     
  25. Admiral Kizaru One Piece Expert

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    @ Gohara

    I honestly thought you didn't know how to quote people. Colour me surprised.


    The thing is that you're desperately clutching to purely speculative character abilities & powers that we haven't seen like lol "seeping Mochi into bodies" or "breaking necks" and trying to pretend they have the same merit to factor into an honest debate as things we have ACTUALLY SEEN FUCKING HAPPEN like Aokiji K.O.'ing the likes of Jozu and Saul in one hit with Ice Time or Akainu burning off someone's head or drilling holes in people. It's pretty evident to everyone tbh. Though, tbf it's the sort of intellectual hackery I expect from the founder of Goharism tbh so I can't say I'm at all disappointed. :laugh:laugh



    But by all means, keep polishing that turd. :ufdup
     
  26. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    We have yet to see an Admiral incapacitate a Yonkou with a free shot, and yet your arguments assume that they can do so. And on the contrary we've seen a Yonkou and even characters far inferior to the Yonkou withstand free shots from the Admirals. So I'm sure that you can agree that such is more assumptive than Jozu knowing how to break necks, an obviously very basic technique. As for Lord Katakuri, that's also an obviously very basic technique that anyone with those types of Devil Fruit skills can use. But even if we set that aside we can also use Lord Perospero as an example since we have seen him seep candy into bodies. If a character is holding off an Admiral what's preventing Lord Perospero from seeping candy into an Admiral and making it a no to low difficulty match up? Using the reasoning that you're using for 1 Yonkou vs. 2 Admiral match ups. And although Jozu is an example where a free shot from an Admiral has been successful, again, there are even more examples where Admiral free shots have been withstood.
     
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  27. Seraphoenix Kaladin Stormblessed

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    *control F ''Akainu feats that put him next to Kaidou''
    *Not found

    As usual you deflect from the conversation. Btw me saying you're a charlatan that is full of shit isn't bitching and moaning. I've noticed your ''bitching and moaning'' only really comes out when you have been cornered and have nothing to say:mjpls:

    It's pretty similar to the way you ran away like a little bitch with the Fujitora argument. Where I gave specific quotes of his state of mind being that although he liked Luffy, he was acting despite his feelings. When I called you out to provide counter evidence you dipped:ohlord

    Here I asked for Akainu feats and you went straight to deflecting. Probably because I said your views were based on a dishonest assessment of WB's standing at MF.

    You gonna bring those feats buddy? I'm waiting:kobe Or are you going to cry that a few paragraphs are a tldr, implying that you are such a slow reader that you can barely handle a few paragraphs without ''bitching and moaning''? :tomha

    I repeat: The Yonkou fought a stabilised WB for territory and didn't get two shot. That shits all over your fanfics.

    You get recognised as the strongest in this manga if you can beat Shanks, Kaido, BM and BB. Not the marines. :ufdup
     
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    Its not like kaido has any feats at all aside from his title. Mihawk also has a worlds strongest title, even though his feats are lackluster in comparison.
     
  29. Seraphoenix Kaladin Stormblessed

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    AK said, ''He has the best feats out of any still living character whereas Kaido has the best hype. Those two deservedly seem to be at the very pinnacle of the OP world pecking order right now.''

    I asked for the feats that put him ''at the very pinnacle of the OP world pecking order right now''. He of course wants to use deathbed WB, while anyone with common sense can recognise there was a vast difference between WSM WB and MF WB.
     
  30. Jake CENA BAH GAWD KING, IT'S JAKE CENA!!

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    Akainu haters only arguments are just

    “What ifs” “buts” “if only” “nerfed”

    :hestonpls

    Basically just excuses and shit lmao
     
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